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Nintendo, then it's getting more subjective as to what counts. If you would like to list every single one, that's fine. That's definitely objective. I can look through to see who else counts as a publishee, but I'm afraid it may be weird to list some of the obscure ones I'm sure to find haha. --
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The publishees do have a formal a verifiable affiliation with
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What part of "publishees" is subjective though? As far as I know "first-party subsidiaries/partners/studios" and "affiliates" is far more subjective. Besides
Nintendo's core (almost) wholly owned subsidiaries, everything else is changing all the time. Couple that with the fact that you'd be omitting
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I like the info and wish that row would be displayed in some way, but I agree with what
Dissident is saying. The publishees have no formal affiliation with Nintendo and can easily make games for other publishers on a whim. PlatinumGames does exactly that. And to include the section, where do we draw
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I'm sure there are more. A lot of those listed above were one-time collaborations with
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're considering a publishee, but I am thinking of several studios that have been published by
Nintendo for multiple games that aren't listed in the template as current or past publishees. Pax Softnica worked on a large number of games in the NES and Game Boy era.
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for that. This is a hub of related articles, so it doesn't make sense to add articles that don't exist. Finally, I don't think it'd be appropriate to add developers whose game was only "published" by
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If it's notable, encyclopedic, and helps the reader navigate between related articles, then I don't see why not. As for regional-exclusive publishing, if there are enough examples that would otherwise bloat and take visibility out of other development studios that have developed a game that was
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Another person chiming in with an anti-bloat, pro-better-defined-inclusion-criteria stance. Unless you plan on closely maintaining this until the end of time, if we don’t define this well, it’s going to be bloated with every company who is tangentially related to Nintendo. I dont believe
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