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original names in mutually conflicting ways, and the modification "contradiction" used inconsistently. The proposed new names clearly identify exactly what the problem is in each case, in natural language that makes sense in the differing banner and inline contexts of the templates, instead of making editors try to guess, and without resorting to contorted, redundant constructions like "contradict-other-multiple".
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Of course, in some cases there is no need for talk page discussion anyway, because the "about=" parameter says it all and the person fixing the error knows how to correct it. But in that case my proposal would make no difference; if the section "Contradiction" does not exist, the link will still go
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All this non-standard abuse of hyphenation is slowly being purged from the template names in favor of plain
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really was chosen for a reason. Secondly, two major aspects of this rename are conciseness and natural language (i.e. parseability, memorability). No one wants to type out "contradicts multiple others", and "multiple others" is a redundant way of saying "others"; that they are multiple is known
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This template would link to the talk page and the copyeditor would include a section in the talk page talked contradict to specify the contradiction. In other case, the contradict template could be deleted from the article, because one does not know the contradict reason and talk about it.
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If you tag an article as self-contradictory, the template generates a link to the talk page, but not to a specific section in the talk page. If you tag a section as self-contradictory, the template generates a link to a section in the talk page titled "section" (in lower case yet).
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you personally find self-contradictory at the relevant Talk page. Just paste this tab and move on. Tailored for the after-school hacker who is mildly bored with
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If people are going to create a section in the talk page to talk about the contradiction, then it would be more helpful if the {{contradict}} template actually linked to that section of the talk page.
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The parameter name "talk=" is just the first thing I thought of; if there are other templates with a similar parameter, the same name used for those should be used here.
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1489:move review
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1377:SMcCandlish
1352:70.51.46.39
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1160:SMcCandlish
1038:SMcCandlish
1009:(presently
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990:(presently
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742:SMcCandlish
648:move review
606:SMcCandlish
108:Richard0612
98:Parameters?
1281:Randy Kryn
1277:- per OP.
1234:Randy Kryn
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1131:Randy Kryn
1099:Regarding
1086:should be
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850:merged to
811:Contradict
558:Contradict
228:Mitch Ames
1461:SmokeyJoe
1184:Debresser
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426:Debresser
501:Hyacinth
482:#article
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319:andyzweb
285:Spitfire
247:Spitfire
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601:Fixed.
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128:Tim1988
1408:Update
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1289:Insert
958:, etc.
895:one or
764:Update
354:, but
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77:Falcon
41:WP:TFD
32:Wetman
1344:WP:RM
657:moved
401:!. --
194:Af648
126:? --
73:brick
45:Tabor
1465:talk
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1332:and
1295:Here
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533:Done
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420:See
407:talk
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297:Talk
281:Done
259:Talk
232:talk
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179:talk
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395:Sky
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