490:, 1983. Moreover, in the return of most Romanov descendants to Russia for the ceremonial reburial in July 1998 of Nicholas II and his family (now Orthodox saints), attended by President Boris Yeltsin, there was open competition between Nicholas and Maria for pride of place, influence and public profile which Nicholas Romanovich won hands down. Maria Vladimirovna, her mother and son -- although present in St. Petersburg -- actually withdrew from participation on a pretext, the unseemly spat evoking dissension among monarchists and a flurry of coverage. Also, the nature of the succession dispute is key to understanding Nicholas's prominence in it: Few seriously argue that he is a stronger genealogical or legal claimant than Maria, rather he is treated (by monarchists and non-monarchists alike who take an interest in the matter) as a
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396:"New" after her mother. What a reliable source that clearly is then! Prince Nicholas is certainly not obscure there are many 'mentions' of him. He is almost 90 I very much doubt he would be as active as Maria and show up in the news every month. I wouldsay someone like Rosairo Poidimani, 'Duke of Braganza' is obscure and would not deserve a mention in a template like. Prince Nicholas is not in that category. -
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where such protracted arguments have usually been "resolved" by petering out in exhaustion rather than by consensus). It is one thing to weigh Google hits as a factor in choosing article names and another to allow them to determine content in
Knowledge's NPOV coverage of the issues. While I agree
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Nicholas is excluded from Knowledge as the main rival of Maria Vladimirovna for the claim to the defunct Russian throne and/or to headship of the deposed dynasty, expect near constant edit wars and serious talk page accusations that Knowledge is biased in this matter. I agree that
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Nicholas certainly gets a significant number of mentions in the media, although not in recent years. But it's not usually in the context of his being a pretender or head of the
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in 1992. In short, Nicholas is an obscure claimant getting entirely
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