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I'd rather see us fix Vector 2022 locally with CSS than change this reflist default that has worked well for many years. I can easily get two reflist columns on my 13-inch laptop screen in Vector 2022 with CSS that fixes the absurd whitespace, leaving me with 69em of space for content (it is 94em in
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I use Vector 2022 with the sidebar, and I get two columns of references on both my PC and iPad. Out of curiosity I tried switching the iPad to portrait mode, and got a single column of references. Switching the ToC to the top menu with the Vector 2022 "hide" button gave me two references even in
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