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wants to preserve inadequate wording and two want to update it, perhaps the only solution will be a move. I suggest "belief systems" instead of "religion", but the most practical choice is to simply update the wording in the existing template, and I can't find a rational reason for objecting to it. It is rare for any template, in one word, to encompass everything the template is used for, and we don't have a template for the purposes LeadSongDog mentions.
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in any dictionary, and you come up with wording related to "belief systems" or "faith". I don't see any problem at all with simply expanding the text in the existing template, I believe that is a better and more practical solution than trying to find an alternate name, but considering one person
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Because the template needs to balance accuracy with being to the point. I think that the word "religion" includes "faith and other such belief systems" for most editors. If you disagree with me, please feel free to raise the issue on the talkpage or anywhere else. Please drop me a note if you do.
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Weighing in, I agree that 'religion' is very specific and, as mentioned, doesn't cover belief systems, way of life philosophies, etc. On the other hand I also think that this template is specifically titled "religion". If a compromise can't be reached, I support the above approach - create a new
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I don't care how we fix it, as long as we do .... we need a template that covers belief systems that are faith-based ... and I think faith-based is more descriptive than faith. Also, if I need to weigh in on some or another discussion anywhere else, would appreciate a ping.
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I have restored the wording "religion, faith or other such belief system" (from just "religion"), which makes this template more useful. My (traditional) church refers to itself as a "faith community"; I believe the expanded wording better reflects the use of this template.
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Perhaps change "religion" to "faith-based"? It is hard to find one word to encompass the territory (which is why I don't understand why the wording can't just spell it out).
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