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I don't find the taxobox overly cluttered, but the sole reason for having
Eugnathostomata at all, is to exclude jawed Placoderms relative to the Gnathostomata. It is a unit of extremely minor importance. I am for a skip in this case. The unit is really only of relevance to a small handful of articles
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My ha'porth is that the distaste for clutter does not take priority over presenting incomplete information. If it seems to cause clutter, do a bit of structural re-formatting instead. A minor taxon? Perhaps, but to omit every item but the major ones is not very encyclopedic. I went to have a look at
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In the Parent field, indicating the taxon to appear right above
Teleostomi in taxoboxes, please change Eugnathostomata to Gnathostomata. Eugnathostomata is an extremely obscure taxon, with only ten results from Google Scholar. Its presence in taxoboxes is clutter, serving no purpose. Knowledge (XXG)
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I certainly erred in writing of "hundreds", though it doesn't affect major issue: what are these lists trying to accomplish? Note that none of the taxoboxes of the four clades that automation would affect currently include
Eugnathostomata; the creators evidently did not consider this taxon worth
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It certainly isn't invalid and, yes, there are plenty of gnathostomes that are eugnathostomes as well as plenty that are not. But what of that? Notability, for
Knowledge (XXG) purposes, is a matter of occurrence in the literature, not in the world. Nor is validity a sufficient condition for
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Yes, and all but one of them has been published within the last eight years. My research tells me the clade you've declared "obscure" includes a significant portion of the
Gnathostomata and excludes a significant portion as well; adding it back in until someone proves this taxon is invalid.
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the list, and 1: it fitted comfortably on one page, and 2: omitting
Eugnathostomata would not de-clutter it significantly. Until someone comes up with a substantial justification for the hiding and deletion options, rather than points of minor irritation, keep it in.
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What is the point of bothering the reader with this item? Clicking on the link will not lead the reader to any notable information about the group. Further searching will probably turn up little but the very brief and very technical mention at
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opinion is more appropriate for requesting an additional comment. I don't think the template is overly cluttered but I would suggest attracting editors at a related wikiproject page due to the technical nature of the disagreement. See
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provides no information about this group other than its taxonomic position. Gnathostomata, a slightly more inclusive clade, yields 1990 results as of this writing. Thanks,
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If we do the skip templates, then do we need a skip template for
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