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should be categorized into Sino-Stub either. The Dutch period certainly shouldn't. The
Japanese rule period shouldn't either. It is even disputable that ROC rule in Taiwan is absolutely illegal and does not conform to international laws. Let alone the PRC's claim. The aboriginal people in Taiwan continued practicing head hunting even during the Japanese rule in the 20th century. Though the some Chinese people did imigrated to Taiwan, it does not make the island part of China. (Just like the Chinese imigrants in the U.S. would not turn U.S part of China either.) I think Taiwan, which is enriched with its own culture and history distinct from China, should have a Taiwan-stub in addition to the proposed Taiwan-Geo Stub. I would stand neutral if the Taiwan stubs were put under China stubs as long as we remind the readers about the
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work I am not sure what else would make you happy. Please also note that you are perhaps the only one in this discussion colunm insists on removing Quemoy and Matsu islands from Taiwan category. And now you are suggesting a categorization according to one's interest, not necessarily along geographical or political boundaries, a proposal I am not sure what exactly that is. Please clarify this amorphous and mysteric proposal. If geographical and political boundaries could not be used as clear guide-lines for sorting stubs, please, lecture on us on how one's interest would serve better. According to your focus on Taiwan and also your guide-line, I propose we can merge ROC, Taiwan and HK stubs and make a new stub category called
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under
Geography of Hong Kong, St George's under Geography of Bermuda, Rathlin under Geography of Ireland, Isla de Pinos under Geography of Cuba, Marie-Galante under Geography of Guadeloupe, the Aegadian Islands under Geography of Sicily, Juan de Nova under Geography of Madagascar, Maria Island under Geography of Saint Lucia, the Goat Islands under Geography of Jamaica, Pelican Island under Geography of Barbados, Gaspar Grande under Geography of Trinidad and Tobago, and Surtsey under Geography of Iceland - when none of these places are part of the island or islands named in the title of the article, then - in exactly the same way - Matsu can be included under Geography of Taiwan.
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substantial overlap likely in any historical items, it seems difficult to work out how that could be achieved. It would be nice to reach some form of consensus, or at the very least a decisive majority, one way or the other as regards the geo-stubs though. Can I suggest that we purely and simply put our favoured names for two separate geo-stubs down (preferably in the form X-geo-stub), with a minimum of debate and counter-debate (that has surely gone on long enough), and see whether we're anywhere near some kind of decision? (My vote is still China-geo-stub and Taiwan-geo-stub).
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Taiwan in the China-Stub category and thus do not bias against the 23 million
Taiwanese people. With the low number of Taiwan stubs, we should simply tag them as stubs, rather than put them under Sino-stub, which is the synonym to the China-stub. The number of Taiwna-stubs could be easily solved by scouting for short articles or creating new articles. Is it really that imperative to include these Taiwan-related stubs under China/Sino stub right now or perhaps we can simply tag them as Stub-stub and wait for 100 Taiwan-related stubs to initiate one Taiwan-stub?
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confusing anyone, please do so. I suggested the term "Sino" to avoid people saying "Yes it is X...no it isn't X... here have a look at these pages, they'll prove that technically it should be X even if no-one calls it X... if it's X what about the offshore islands...". Taiwan is what 99% of people around the world call it, and it would be confusing to call it anything else (as has already been shown by a small minority of people using China-geo-stub correctly - clearly very few people considered that taiwan was "China", and instead considered it Taiwan). But
795:(response to Grutness) Thank you for your comments. With you comments, I am glad that someone understand the plight and also familiar with what is really going on in this MESS. :) However, I personally do not favor the suggestion using Sino-stub for Taiwan's non-geo related articles. Today, a pro-Chinese unification news paper in Taiwan announced the percentage of Taiwanese recognize a separate identity other than Chinese has reached a historical high. Only 14% of the Taiwanese residents thinks themself to be more a Chinese than a Taiwanese
1720:(response to jguk) I don't think they really are supporting Beijing's position. They have to establish diplomatic relations with Beijing, first to counter balance the Soviet Union during the cold war, and later for trade. In the beginning the ROC government under Chiang (the elder one) broke up ties with these countries, for he thought he's the legitimate one and "the legitimate one would not stand along with the illegitimate one". Later and until now it is the prerequisite set up by Beijing for all countries. —
1475:. The Knowledge (XXG) is not to involve itself in politics and should not. Should we care who rules over China? Yes, but only for factual reasons. Should we care who rules over the region that is referred as Taiwan? Yes, but only for factual reasons. Articles dealing with geographically located places on the region which is referred as Taiwan should use the Taiwan-geo-stub. Articles dealing with geographically located places on the region which is referred as China should use the China-geo-stub.
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a demand for it, though, there's no reason why it couldn't also be added, redirecting to Taian-geo-stub. As to "mainland China", you have been arguing all along that we should use the official names - mainland China is not the official name. There is nothing wrong with using "People's
Republic of China geography stubs" - and before you ask, yes, that would make "Category:Hong Kong geography stubs" a subcategory of it.
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Kong people also possess some sort of self-recognition and consider themselves different from the people in the mainland. They won't be hestitant to say they are ethnically
Chinese, but many of them would probably be reluctant to say their citizenships are Chinese (which implies they are citizens of the PRC). Possessing a local identity does not necessarily means they are untied with the rest of the nation.
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1782:(Re: Grutness) I'm interested in seeing how this will play out-- although, from my point of view, this is one of the items that leaving as "Mainland China" and "Taiwan" would work due to the fact that Geo-stubs are, by definition, not politics. Like Instantnood's comment directly above me, a link from RoC-Geo --: -->
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I can compromise on having redirects at template:china-geo-stub and template:taiwan-geo-stub to template:mainland china-geo-stub and template:roc-geo-stub, or the other way round, to avoid the trouble. My vote on geostubs for the texts of the templates, and the categories they link to remains "ROC.."
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I was actually about to creat a Taiwan-Geo stub category before this mess/debate blew up. I wish that I had fixed the categorizing problems and properly sort the Taiwan-related and Taiwan-Geo stubs earlier. As for the current proposal, I am not certain that social/historical events occurred in Taiwan
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So is Matsu, Quemoy and Wuchiu part of Taiwan proper or Taiwan province? NO, it is not. They are part of
Fuchien province both politically and geographically. To put (Taiwan) behind ROC is a wrong statement. This geo template should be used for all ROC administered territories, including the Fuchien
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I understand that, you understand that, Instantnood and the others involved in this debate understand that. But that does not guarantee that it won't offend some people. The boundaries and specifics of the two entities that call themselves China are a delicate subject (and, sadly, international news
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The whole purpose of making the stub name Taiwan-geo-stub and the category name "Republic of China (Taiwan)" was in the interests of compromise. I'm not really convinced that having a duplicate ROC-stub will help anything, especially seeing that the general geography stub is Taiwan-stub. If there is
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Category:The area that likes to be known as the
Republic of China but which most people call Taiwan but which also includes several small chains of islands which are controlled by this "country", "rebel region" or whatever you wish to call it but aren't geographically part of Taiwan itself geography
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Please note that it was you initially brought up the issue that Quemoy and Matsu islands should not be listed under Taiwan, otherwise constitutes POV. And I agreed with your opinion that they should be treated as part of China; and I even supported a solution in line with your idea. If this does not
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No. Wales and
England have a long-established border agreed upon and accepted by both the British Government and the Assembly of Wales, so to do that would be as ridiculous (especially on St. David's Day!). What I'm suggesting is that if Gozo can be included under Geography of Malta, New Territories
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In my opinion, I think it would be a good idea to have PRC and ROC stub categories to tag political related stub articles. And we can have Taiwan and China stubs to tag non-political related articles. Of course, Taiwan can be put under the cap of China/or sino-stub if we note the political status of
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Thank you for your diligence in solving this mess. I would stand neutral on this proposal, with the caveat that ROC=\=Taiwan. However, I still prefer to sort Geo-stubs according to the geographical demarcations. i.e. Quemoy et al to be sorted into China instead of Taiwan. I wonder if anyone would
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In many parts of China people consider their local identities more important than the national identity, as each of the different places has its own language, culture, cuisine and lifestyle. I would say people on Taiwan are on a further extreme, owing to Taiwan's unique location and history. Hong
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Taiwan becomes the common reference to the ROC because 1) it is the main component of the territory under ROC's control, 2) many countries which have diplomatic relations with the PRC cannot call it the ROC officially, 3) the PRC considers itself the sole legitimate government of China, 4) China
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Hopefully the following proposal will be at least reasonably agreeable to all those involved in this argument. For the time being I intend to leave the idea of general stubs aside, and concentrate on geo-stubs. The currently existing China-stub and Taiwan-stub should suffice for now for general
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I used the Taiwan-geo-stub stub for the first time and noticed that it uses the term "Republic of China" when displayed. I thought the "geo" meant "geographic" but I guess not. Where can I find a stub for articles about locations in Taiwan that are not political and therefor should just say
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Topics about the
Channel Islands sounds to be a much better example for comparison. But they are crown dependencies of the United Kingdom, sort of an extension of it. Some islands of the ROC are not part of Taiwan, and Taiwan doesn't have possession. Whatever the discussion here ends up, I can
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I never said they were. But if you want to restrict this extensive list to islands then I'm quite happy to make that Tsing Yi or Lantau. If you wish to restrict the argument to political control over islands not technically part of the same province, then a comparison might be that UK-geo-stub
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comment about the relationship between China and Taiwan at the top of the stub category, however (putting it actually in the template could be a bit messy). If you can think of a term that will cover everything which could currently be called "China P.R." and "Taiwan" nicely and simply without
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Well yes, and I'll have to compromise if the consensus is made to have it directed to "Category:People's
Republic of China geography stubs". However I am afraid Hong Kong-related geostubs will be be tagged wrongly. Editors who are interested in expanding Hong Kong-related articles wouldn't be
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It's now been a very long week since I put this here. My original suggestion was China-geo-stub, Taiwan-geo-stub, and Sino-stub. It would be nice to split the non-geo items into two, one for each of the two "Chinas", but with only seven non-geographic items relating to Taiwan/RoC, and with a
1876:(An alternative option would be to have Categories called Taiwan geo. stubs and Mainland China geo.stubs, and allow articles on Quemoy et al to be double stubbed to both categories, but I suspect that, from a political poitn of view, that would be worse than all the other options mentioned).
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I personally do not see a problem if we sort Qingmon and Matsu into China-geo-stub separately from the rest of Taiwan geo stubs. If that's your point, you have my full support. Geographical articles of Taiwan should be sorted into a geographical entity, not a political entity, such as ROC.
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The dispute being raised here challenges the current NPOV policy in the naming convention. However, this dispute does not have a role in affecting the implementation of the consensus reached in the convention. The NPOV policy could be changed as long as a new consensus is reached in the
1988:, and apparently there was some sort of vote that arrived at the current form, so I would not advise just changing it. I think all territories administered by the ROC government based on Taiwan (including Matsu, Quemoy and Wuchiu) are considered part of the purview of this geo-stub.--
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I support having the stubs sorted along contributors' interests, not necessarily along geographical or political boundaries. Having subcategories could be a bad thing that stub articles would be incorrectly tagged. Hyperlinks between the categories is better than subcategorisation. —
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That's the whole reason this mess developed in the first place. (response to Penwhale) I too am interested to see how this will woprk out. I'm beginning to feel that it would have been easier to resolve this by leading a delegation to Taipei and Beijing to demand reunification! :)
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Well it's in fact much more complicated than many people might think. If the PRC wasn't broken off from the ROC in 1949, there would be little doubt that Taiwan is part of China (the geographical region). And in fact Taiwan is on the outermost of the continental shelf of Asia. —
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I think you are suggesting having stubs sorted according to one's POV. I wonder if that is neutral though. I actually likes your idea separating Taiwna and other Quemoy and Matsu islands a lot. At least that's a guideline with a neutral basis. Or perhaps you have other better
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IMHO stub categories should be sorted along editors areas of interests, and therefore separate categories for mainland China and Hong Kong, and geography stubs of, say, Matsu, be tagged with Template:ROC-geo-stub rather than China (meaning mainland China or the PRC). —
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The problem here is that this debate has been held all over the place. I don't remember seeing what you refer to - but I would not say that because a few pro-ROCers managed to have a vote on some page somewhere that WP's NPOV policy should be suspended,
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I am not making it political. Geographically, just Taiwan would be incorrect. Please stop trying to be political too. By pushing Taiwan and Taiwan for everything and removing Republic of China to everything. That is showing your true political motives
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It is because Taiwan is not the name of any country (well, at the time being). Cuba, Babardos, Trinidad and Tobago, etc. are all countries, while Taiwan is not. Marie-Galante and Aegadian Islands are both geographically and politically part of the
1173:, which involves the government's territorial claims, statistics compiled by the government, trade issues and official title used by the delegation to the WTO, respectively. Non-Taiwan-related aspects of the ROC complicated the issue. There was a
685:, if you were the most pedantically pedantic of pedants, you wouldn't accept that name. Similarly China... what do we mean by that term? "Mainland" China (which includes non-mainland Hainan)? The People's Republic of China? The Republic of China?
590:, what has actually happened is that Taiwan-stub contains 75 articles, of which all but seven are geo-stubs. If they were in the category they should be in, we'd have a very full China-geo-stub category and an almost empty Taiwan-stub category.
1161:" as well, are very good example that they're on the extreme end and almost have nothing to do with any government, and are not related to the outlying islands of the ROC which are not part of Taiwan. This is not the case for articles such as
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I understand there are some guidelines specifically for stub categories, such as number of articles needed, and some of the mess must have to be solved here. The controversy, however, is currently discussed on several related pages, including
1732:(response to Grutness) Thanks. A little additional request: to have Template:ROC-geo-stub redirected to Template:Taiwan-geo-stub, and to link Template:China-geo-stub to Category:Mainland China geography stubs. Would it be possible? —
798:. In other words, the majority of Taiwanese do not recognize themself as Chinese. Moreover, if the language/culture origin dictates the usage of the Sino-tag, then should we include Singapore (a country with 77% of Chinese population
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Taiwan-geo-stub could be a sub-category into China-geo stub, as long as the readers are informed about the political dispute over Taiwan and the political implication of this sub-categorization to keep this move neutral.
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Here's an idea. They are geographical region stubs, are they not? Taiwan refers to the little island. China refers to the thing part of Asia. We leave the political stuff related to either of them out of it. Okay?
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Sigh. Which are you opposing, the category name? If so, please suggest an alternative - preferably one that will keep everyone happy. (This could be tricky - I'm seriously beginning to think that, in order to keep
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I am in favor of the simpler "china-geo-stub" and "taiwan-geo-stub". When you start talking in technical political terms, the stub templates become less useful because the average person has trouble using them.
1223:(response to Grutness) You're implying Wales and territorial claims can be included in an article titled "Geography of England"? Well.. to repeat, territories under ROC's control = Taiwan plus something. :-P —
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There are places controlled by the ROC which are not geographically part of Taiwan, for instance Quemoy, Matsu, Wuchiu and Pratas. Under the proposal below they will be tagged with Template:Taiwan-geo-stub. —
2025:, and thus Jguk should be advised to the naming convention talk page. Before the Chinese naming convention/NPOV policy in Knowledge (XXG) has being changed, we suggest we uphold and follow the current policy.
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Right. By compromising with "Republic of China (Taiwan)" I'm already not following the naming conventions. The naming conventions says "Republic of China" should be used, without Taiwan in round brackets. —
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The term ROC is POV - as it implies there is a separate recognisable entity that has sovereign rule over Taiwan, a position refuted strongly by Beijing, I have remove the reference to it in the template,
1764:"Mainland China" is the official name used by the PRC government and the Hong Kong government to refer to PRC territories with Hong Kong and Macao excluded. Its usage on Knowledge (XXG) is also stated at
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really object this arrangement and how this could be worse than other proposal. Quemoy et al were bona fide geographically part of China( as a geographical entity). No political POV is implicated.
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After long and at times frustrating wrangling over at tfd, an interesting fact has emerged as relates to the whole China/Taiwan business. The way the stub categories are organised is as follows:
1191:...geography, by definition, is the method of referring to geographic things. Such as the designation of geographic regions. Thus geography automatically qualifies under the statement I listed.
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Just a little bit of information. For people who are interested to know why it was so controversial about all these titles, you can read the following articles or sections and get some clues:
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For some countries ordinary stubs and geography stubs are tagged with the same template, and grouped under the same category. Perhaps the same can be done with the ROC at the time being. —
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Given that there are only currently seven stubs in Taiwan-stub that would fill this new category, it's simply not enough to warrant a separate category. It would be a sensible idea to put a
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My hope was to call it Taiwan-geo-stub... other have been pushing to name it RoC, though 9see looong discussion on tfd). I'm pretty sure the term RoC is very rare except in Taiwan itself.
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I oppose. There's no need. All this does is confuse people and add the POV that the ROC is the legitimate government over these areas, despite most nations supporting Beijing's position,
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Obviously Jerry would prefer to just have Taiwan instead of any mention of the ROC. Republic of China is not offensive and should not be to anyone. That is the reality and fact today! -
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such things (will a simple redirect do the trick?). Hopefully the compromise of simpler names for the templates and more precise names for the categories is acceptable to everyone.
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in the China-stub pages. With the whole truth and nothing but truth being presented in these mess/sensitive areas, readers would make their own educated judgement on this topic.
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after a long debate - if you want to argue over it, do it in private, or on talk pages. Stop screwing with the template- don't stuff up Knowledge (XXG) trying to score points!
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Actually, in many parts of the world and for many purposes Alaska is regarded as part of the continental United States - as the article points out. It's just not part of the
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Makes sense, but please call it Taiwan-geo-stub. The term RoC just confuses people - I hadn't even come across it before seeing Knowledge (XXG) and I doubt I'm the only one,
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Taiwan-Geo is theoretically correct because RoC is the political entity located on the island of Taiwan-- so RoC-Geo being redirected to Taiwan-Geo works. Just my idea.
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My apologies for breaking the page hierarchy - hopefully temporarily - but please bear with me. This whole mess doesn't easily fit under either deletion or addition.
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The terms "China" and "Taiwan" are perfectly acceptable in non-political contexts to designate geographic regions, e.g. "culture of Taiwan" or "languages of China".
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The original "Republic of China (Taiwan)" label was already agreed upon. It's the least offensive and accurate label. I'm reverting back to original version.
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Thanks very much Grutness. No objection about this proposal. But then as I have mentioned, I prefer hyperlinks between the categories to subcatagorisaion. —
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Jguk, your change made the categories not work on these articles, so I had to revert it. If you want to change it again, I suggest bringing the proposal to
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I can compromise on "Republic of China (Taiwan).." or "ROC (Taiwan).." too, for the texts of the templates and the titles of the categories
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916:(response to jguk and Susvolans) "Taiwan" and "Republic of China" are not the same, although geographically they overlap considerably. —
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