297:
pudgy little fellow with a woeful expression is running to his mother with his arms stretched up to her, as she stands with a wagging finger and an expression of perhaps bemused censure. The humor lies precisely in treating a couple of gods as if they're just a whining kid and his mom. It's a common misconception that ancient literature sounds like stiff and formal
Victorian translations. Greek and Latin literature had as great a range of
482:
194:
84:
262:: the point of the tale is that Cupid is a child, and that he cries and runs to his mom, who laughs at him. It's meant in the original to be light and humorous, and to make fun of Cupid's self-centeredness and childlike cluelessness. By changing the language, you lose the point of the characterization. The tale is told in the tone of light erotic mockery often associated with
688:
413:
summarizing the tale in general, not one version; that is, the general treatment of it as reflected in various art works and little poems, which is what's needed here. I usually make it clear whose summary I'm using, but had pushed the Youens footnote later into the section. (Theocritus's treatment influences the later tradition, but strictly speaking is about
579:
Everyone except you is agreeing that it should be occluded on the talk page. And what, because I stopped editing for a while I am no longer allowed to make edits? And as you see, I didn't edit since the "Undue Weight - discuss" was added, I am fine with it being discussed. And please stop accusing me
397:
200 (sad face), but who's counting, right? :) On topic: I think I stumbled on to what the problem is. In the source you linked (Hugo Wolf And his MÜrike songs by Susan Youens), two poems/story's are told, one by
Theocritus and one by Anacreon. The Anacreon one describes Eros as crying, and the other
135:
This bibliography has been on
Knowledge for quite some time now, it is only since I have attempted to edit the page that I have had issues. To delete the page would in my opinion be harsh. Nobody has commented before on problems and clearly we need to sort it out, but I would ask that it not be
323:
was to revert vandalism (section blanking) a week ago. And as I said, "cries and runs to mommy" may be factually correct, but I still think it sounds too informal to be phrased that way in an encyclopedia. An analogy: In an article about suicide, I wouldn't write "kicked the bucket" or something
296:
You changed it twice, and I don't want to get in an edit war. "He cries and runs to his mother Venus" seems pretty straightforward: crying is crying ("crying" meaning "wailing" or "producing tears" is not the same as "complaining"), and running is running. Just as DĂźrer chose to illustrate it: a
412:
Yes, but people shouldn't have to take a stabbing in order to edit; that's exactly the kind of environment I would hope to discourage. I failed to watch my tone because I was unduly impatient about returning to the topic, for the very reason that I left it in an unsatisfactory state. Youens was
281:
I dont know what you mean with "keep changing", only changed once. I haven't read the original story, so I can't say the exact words they used, but "cries and run to mom" sounds very informal to me, not really what I'd expect from an old Greek tale, or from an encyclopedic summary. It may be
429:
article, and I look forward to doing that for at least some of them at some point. When I was working on Cupid, I was in a rush because it was around
Valentine's Day and the article had languished in an execrable state for a long time. It was not a thorough job, and I got distracted by
671:
It is a very bad idea for someone who is involved in a dispute with an ongoing RfC to try to implement that RfC themselves without formal closure by an uninvolved administrator. In this particular case it is not clear at all that there is a consensus for your proposal at this
110:
until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
114:
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
378:
hundred edits and no articles created. I'm sure you're only trying to be conscientious. I don't mean to discourage new editors! That would be quite contrary to my hopes for the future of
Knowledge. Best wishes,
161:
107:
342:. It does not say anything about cupid crying. When you summarize a story you can't incorporate elements from other works i.e. a painting of the story. I'll go ahead and change it.
398:
does not. So it seems we are both at least partially right. Maybe the article should reflect this? I leave that up to you since you are clearly the more experienced editor.
236:
Thanks - It put a smile on my face :) I would have given you one for your increasingly (as the debate went on) insurmountable patience, but I don't know how to make one yet.
206:
I was considering making a
Barnstar of Annoyingly Dogged Persistence for you instead - but I've been impressed with your reasoning, politeness and good humour during
207:
40:
542:
A zombie account is one that does not edit for an extended period and suddenly comes "back to life". There is no consensus on the talk page. You are at
54:, a forum on Knowledge for new editors to ask questions about editing Knowledge, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! -
96:
434:(where footnote 10, for instance, clarifies the sources used for the longer-than-usual plot summary). So my snippiness was entirely uncalled for.
699:
that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use
356:
This isn't a summary of
Theocritus (the article says the tale was first told by him), it's a summary of the story as it was used in the
220:
125:
486:
160:, and that page is being considered for deletion. If you want to weigh in your opinion, the discussion is being held at
448:
Thank you for your explanation(s), I feel that we have reached a tranquil state of enlightenment a.k.a consensus.
599:
498:
360:, based on the secondary sources used to compile the article. Frankly, you don't know what you're talking about.
100:
157:
91:
75:
421:
and the billion
Valentine greetings he spawnedâwhich is what the articles focuses on, relegating the Roman
641:
563:
518:
595:
62:
137:
490:
418:
357:
141:
439:
384:
365:
310:
271:
51:
691:
Constructive contributions to
Knowledge are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page
339:
700:
696:
625:
608:
No, of course I am not. Any admin can confirm that. Are you the same person as
Evergreen Fir?
547:
502:
426:
298:
214:
119:
673:
431:
692:
494:
55:
425:
to a section.) Each of these sections on a "Cupid" theme could be easily expanded into a
180:
I would say yes, never seen it before. I don't really see what point your trying to make.
193:
708:
622:
481:
374:
Apologies if I sounded curt. I see that you're a fairly new editor with only a couple
543:
535:
435:
380:
361:
306:
267:
153:
609:
581:
449:
399:
343:
325:
283:
237:
211:
116:
324:
similar, because it would be bad taste and informal, even if it would be correct.
39:
646:
568:
523:
263:
704:
17:
687:
302:
173:
282:
factually correct, but I'd still prefer a re-phrasal of that sentence.
156:'s page. I moved the bibliography of all his books to a seperate page
393:
No worries, I can take a stabbing. Actually , my edits are just over
712:
676:
651:
617:
603:
589:
573:
528:
457:
443:
407:
388:
369:
351:
333:
314:
291:
275:
245:
225:
145:
130:
64:
319:
No, I only changed this one time. The only other time I've been at
320:
414:
108:
Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Zairi Bibliography
162:
Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Zairi Bibliography
594:
Are you the same person as that Delicious Maple fellah?
259:
89:
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article
95:
is suitable for inclusion in Knowledge according to
546:on that page anyway. Consider this your warning.
703:for any tests you may want to do. Thank you.
210:, so I reckon this one is more appropriate...
8:
174:http://en.wikipedia.org/H._James_Harrington
417:in his Greek context, not the Cupid of
7:
258:I don't know why you keep changing
97:Knowledge's policies and guidelines
338:I have found a translation of the
25:
106:The article will be discussed at
686:
480:
192:
176:- is this page not promotional?
82:
38:
1:
652:06:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
618:05:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
604:05:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
590:05:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
574:05:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
529:03:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
713:23:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
677:23:10, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
674:User:Maunus ¡Ęaunus¡snunÉw¡
728:
92:Mohamed Zairi Bibliography
76:Mohamed Zairi Bibliography
36:
493:Knowledge, as you did at
191:
136:deleted at this time. (
50:, you are invited to the
613:
585:
458:07:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
453:
444:18:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
408:14:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
403:
389:14:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
370:14:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
352:07:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
347:
334:06:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
329:
315:20:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
292:19:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
287:
276:15:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
246:08:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
241:
226:07:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
146:10:11, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
131:09:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
99:or whether it should be
65:22:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
682:Misleading edit summary
623:No, we're just lovers.
489:. If you continue to
208:our recent discussion
200:The Civility Barnstar
499:blocked from editing
580:and being hostile.
419:classical mythology
358:classical tradition
185:A barnstar for you!
487:disruptive editing
650:
572:
527:
485:Please stop your
231:
230:
152:This isn't about
71:
70:
16:(Redirected from
719:
690:
644:
638:
635:
632:
629:
566:
560:
557:
554:
551:
521:
515:
512:
509:
506:
484:
432:Cupid and Psyche
301:and register of
223:
217:
196:
189:
188:
128:
122:
86:
85:
60:
42:
35:
34:
21:
727:
726:
722:
721:
720:
718:
717:
716:
693:White supremacy
684:
669:
667:White Supremacy
636:
633:
630:
627:
596:Volunteer Marek
558:
555:
552:
549:
540:
513:
510:
507:
504:
495:White supremacy
478:
340:original Idylls
256:
221:
215:
187:
171:
126:
120:
87:
83:
80:
67:
56:
33:
23:
22:
15:
12:
11:
5:
725:
723:
683:
680:
668:
665:
663:
661:
660:
659:
658:
657:
656:
655:
654:
539:
532:
477:
474:
473:
472:
471:
470:
469:
468:
467:
466:
465:
464:
463:
462:
461:
460:
391:
336:
255:
252:
251:
250:
249:
248:
229:
228:
203:
202:
197:
186:
183:
182:
181:
170:
167:
166:
165:
81:
79:
74:Nomination of
72:
69:
68:
45:
43:
32:
29:
27:
24:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
724:
715:
714:
710:
706:
702:
698:
694:
689:
681:
679:
678:
675:
666:
664:
653:
648:
643:
640:
639:
624:
621:
620:
619:
615:
611:
607:
606:
605:
601:
597:
593:
592:
591:
587:
583:
578:
577:
576:
575:
570:
565:
562:
561:
545:
537:
533:
531:
530:
525:
520:
517:
516:
500:
497:, you may be
496:
492:
488:
483:
476:December 2014
475:
459:
455:
451:
447:
446:
445:
441:
437:
433:
428:
424:
420:
416:
411:
410:
409:
405:
401:
396:
392:
390:
386:
382:
377:
373:
372:
371:
367:
363:
359:
355:
354:
353:
349:
345:
341:
337:
335:
331:
327:
322:
318:
317:
316:
312:
308:
304:
300:
295:
294:
293:
289:
285:
280:
279:
278:
277:
273:
269:
265:
261:
253:
247:
243:
239:
235:
234:
233:
232:
227:
224:
218:
213:
209:
205:
204:
201:
198:
195:
190:
184:
179:
178:
177:
175:
168:
163:
159:
155:
154:Mohamed Zairi
151:
150:
149:
147:
143:
139:
133:
132:
129:
123:
118:
112:
109:
104:
102:
98:
94:
93:
77:
73:
66:
63:
61:
59:
53:
49:
44:
41:
37:
30:
28:
19:
697:edit summary
685:
670:
662:
626:
548:
541:
503:
479:
422:
394:
375:
305:as English.
257:
199:
172:
134:
113:
105:
90:
88:
78:for deletion
57:
47:
26:
18:User:Amlaera
701:the sandbox
264:anacreontea
169:Promotional
534:Reply and
58:Camyoung54
705:Dave Dial
645:Please {{
567:Please {{
522:Please {{
491:vandalize
138:Sara Dawe
436:Cynwolfe
381:Cynwolfe
376:thousand
362:Cynwolfe
307:Cynwolfe
268:Cynwolfe
52:Teahouse
31:Teahouse
695:has an
610:Amlaera
582:Amlaera
538:warning
450:Amlaera
427:spinoff
400:Amlaera
344:Amlaera
326:Amlaera
303:diction
284:Amlaera
238:Amlaera
212:Yunshui
117:Yunshui
101:deleted
48:Amlaera
46:Hello!
642:(talk)
564:(talk)
544:WP:3RR
536:WP:3RR
519:(talk)
423:Cupido
672:time.
321:Cupid
254:Cupid
709:talk
614:talk
600:talk
586:talk
454:talk
440:talk
415:Eros
404:talk
385:talk
366:talk
348:talk
330:talk
311:talk
299:tone
288:talk
272:talk
260:this
242:talk
158:here
142:talk
637:Fir
634:een
631:rgr
628:Eve
559:Fir
556:een
553:rgr
550:Eve
514:Fir
511:een
508:rgr
505:Eve
501:.
395:300
711:)
649:}}
647:re
616:)
602:)
588:)
571:}}
569:re
526:}}
524:re
456:)
442:)
406:)
387:)
368:)
350:)
332:)
313:)
290:)
274:)
266:.
244:)
148:)
144:)
103:.
707:(
612:(
598:(
584:(
452:(
438:(
402:(
383:(
364:(
346:(
328:(
309:(
286:(
270:(
240:(
222:ć°´
219:â
216:é˛
164:.
140:(
127:ć°´
124:â
121:é˛
20:)
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
