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177:, who had personally been in charge of one of the Mongol divisions, and had coordinated the capture of the city. The rumors were so widespread in France in the 1800s, that a French encyclopedia even printed this story as fact. And a painting was commissioned for the Versailles museum, "Jacques de Molay takes Jerusalem, 1299." However, none of it is true, and modern historians (such as Demurger) have thoroughly debunked the stories. However, the Knowledge (XXG) article is still trying to make the case that 169:, it is true that in 1300, there were many urban legends circulating which said that the Mongols had captured Jerusalem and were going to give it back to the Christians. These rumors were widespread, but false. Some of the rumors even persisted to as recently as the 1800s, by which time they'd expanded to the point where they were saying not just that the Mongols had captured Jerusalem, but that the Mongols had done it in concert with 149:
rulers of the area, since they'd won the last battle, and they did send a few raiding parties to loot and pillage, but they generally left the fortified places alone, and they didn't set up any kind of a permanent administration in Palestine (which is what's necessary to deem something "conquered" as
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Communications went back and forth between the leaders of Europe and the Mongols for most of the late 1200s. The communications generally went like this: The Europeans asked the Mongols to convert to Christianity. The Mongols told the Europeans to submit. This went back and forth through various
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Some of the Christian countries in the path of the Mongols faced an unpleasant choice: Submit to Mongol overlordship, or try to fight back, lose, and then watch tens of thousands of citizens get brutally slaughtered. The Mongols generally made one request to surrender, and if it wasn't honored,
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In 1299/1300, the Mongols (with their Christian subjects) were able to briefly capture the cities of Syria from the Muslims. The Muslims retreated their forces south back to Cairo to regroup. The Mongols also retreated most of their forces north, to give the horses better grazing room. This
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an alliance. It's also trying to say that countries such as Armenia and Antioch "allied" with the Mongols, instead of simply submitting to them. But the truth of the matter is that Armenia and Antioch were Mongol subjects, and that there was never a Franco-Mongol alliance. There were
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letters and ambassadors for decades, but nothing formal was ever agreed to. The few times that coordinated military action was attempted, the forces tended to arrive months apart (if they showed up at all), and they never made any serious military gains.
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About 75% of the way through this process, the Mongols started joining the party. Their empire had been growing rapidly, and they'd taken over much of the Asian continent and were starting to push into Eastern Europe, and also into the Middle East.
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This was a temporary page used in 2007, acting as a quickref for other editors who were coming up to speed on a POV dispute. The dispute has since been resolved via an
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A few months later (May 1300), the Muslims regrouped and advanced northwards again, pushing the Mongols all the way back to Iran.
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The article is trying to make the case that the Mongols may have captured Jerusalem during this "power vacuum" phase. There are
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are generally considered to have lasted from roughly 1099, when the European Crusaders captured
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says it's bunk. But it's proven very difficult to get the bunk out of the article.
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take Jerusalem. Which is bunk. Historians say it's bunk, I say it's bunk, and the
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are still undergoing cleanup, but the worst of the damage has since been repaired.
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they then killed everyone -- men, women, children, even the dogs and cats.
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For more details (such as exact quotes of what historians have said), see
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at an alliance, but they never came together, despite decades of trying.
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That's it in a nutshell. If you have questions, let me know.  :)
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in 1259. Other Christians further away from the front such as
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Accordingly, some Christian countries rapidly capitulated:
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article, is that it's trying to push a POV that there
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User:Elonka
ArbCom case
PHG
dozens of affected articles
Crusades
Jerusalem
Georgia
Cilician Armenia
Antioch
Tripoli
Acre
Franco-Mongol alliance
User:Elonka/Mongol historians
Jacques de Molay
Knights Templar
RfC at the talkpage

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