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language, but I mean the female/woman/bisexual women/FTMs who date women side of the LGBT equation, as distinct from the male/man/bisexual man/MTFs who date men side of the equation. Others must have felt this need as well because there are *some* categories that are diffused into gay and lesbian (along with bisexual and transgender) but really, not that many (see below for counts, less than 20 in each category). These L and G specific categories also branch up the tree in different and sometimes strange ways (check out
892:: (full disclosure, i am the one that segregated out a separate Bisexual category from the former Bisexual community cat) imho the organized Bi community (BiNet, etc etc) should have their own cat, but the films, literature, TV series, etc definitely don't belong under "Bisexual community". Not sure if I overlooked that during the split or if someone came along afterward and moved the (TV,literature,etc) cats back to the Bisexual community cat though. will check it out..
61:. There are also less than 20 specific gay categories. These are more uniform, in that all but one have an LGBT parent category and that is the only parent category. The exception is gay pornography. (I have a chart on this in Microsoft Word that I'm shy about putting into a Knowledge table due to lack of technical knowledge, but I may publish it as a google document).
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but there ARE things that encompass just the one, as evidenced by the fact that the "B" and "T" categories are fairly well populated (but not overpopulated). There are lesbian related categories buried in the structure, and I am proposing to organize them together and make "L" fork off of LGBT. The same could be done for "G" I believe.
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I may get started on this and things will become more clear of obvious once I do. The idea would be to take all the L and G specific categories above and try to make some sense of them. As I look more closely, it looks like lesbian and bisexual have all the same sub categories, with the exception
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Bisexuality and Transgender the B and the T of LGBT. But there is no sub category for the "L" or the "G". I agree with SatyrN's not to make L, G, B and T the primary category structure. There are lots of things that encompass all four,
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Knowledge contributions in two areas: categorizing uncategorized articles and working on LGBT articles, emphasis on the "L". At this intersection, I find that I'm often looking for some organization of lesbian related articles separate from LGBT. I don't mean to exclude by my use of
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I thought that drag kings/queens were performers first, who were not necessarily gay/lesbian or transsexual (though I guess they might count as transvestite? (unless they wouldnt' be transvestitite since they were doing it for performance?). will defer to those more knowledgable in lesbian and
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Note: I generated this list partly at random and partly by searching on Google for items on the
Knowledge site including the word lesbian. Most articles were already categorized with one of the lesbian-categories shown above, but these were not. Additions and comments are welcome!
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for some weird bedfellow). I do have a working knowledge of the category guidelines and philosophies, so I know that categories are not supposed to be a straight (no pun intended) tree. Nonetheless, the current state of things doesn't seem right.
554:(this may be controversial as the show has dealt very well with bisexual women, transmen and even the occasional gay man, but the title really does cry out for some kind of lesbian or anyway woman specific category).
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624:- I'm not sure if comics count as fiction in which case there is a lesbian-specific caategory - they don't seem to be categorized that way, but rather as "art," for which there is no lesbian specific category
837:. I just linked up Gay organizations with organizations of men (wait for the howls, folks!). Men by occupations bizarrely basically only includes dancers, porn stars and Popes. (you poor guys)
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636:= i had to create this one! geez, are there no fans out there?
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890:Comment
727:Lesbian
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1120:LGBT
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1050:talk
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155:and
1015:--
977:(2)
971:(0)
965:(1)
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1019:e
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