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So in terms of your deleting my very first entry I accept that as I stated that "the melody line was derived from Quizas" - or words to that effect, and I can't say that for sure, and indeed the matter would be one for a legal dispute and due to the fact that Fernando is apparentgly one of the top 40 selling singles of all time, there's clearly not unsignificant amounts of money involved here and it wouldn't be fair on Knowledge to get sued for somethign like that. However, on my second change, I can't recall my actual words at the moment, but what I said was more or less that there is a strong similarity between the melody lines of the different songs. So, before we go any further, I know for an absolute fact that I'm correct in terms of what I've said abut the similarity between the two songs, but my query here about what I wrote havign been deleted has nothign whatsoever to do with me defending whether I feel I'm right or not. What my query refers to is the fact that I want to be able to look up Knowledge adnd learn things like this and yes I totally agree that facts displayed should as Knowledge states must be "verifiable." - but verifiable is very open to interpretation. I could for example create a website today quoting this fact that I've had deleted, then re-write it on your pages and cite my own web-page as the source where the fact can be "verified" - I'f this is goign to be discussion between us I'll go well into the dangers of such an approach when it is we talk,ery briefly lets taken an example that some lunatic individual wants to promulgate ideas realting to white supremacy. They get their poison verified by somebody with recognised high level qualification. Now, it's not only Mr. Lunatic who wants to spread poison, but he's now backed by Docotor or Professor whoever, and their published research papers, which are worth nothing in the real world then go on to become a pedestal where Mr. Lunatic can then promulgate his poison through websites such as yours because no matter what he says and no matter how wrong his ideas are, they can be "verified" as Knowledge puts it, because he's quoting from a published source. But we can discuss all this, I've got the time and defitely the inclination. Returnign to the issue at hand, though - being shared melodies of two differnt songs, in terms of this being "verifiable" - this to me, is like so in your face noticeable, that my mum and I were singing Fernando over the words of Quizas, quizas when we heard it in the concert we were watching, and I honestly thought at the time that Mr. Bocelli was doing a medley of songs and singing Fernando in Spanish until I checked out the two different songs on Youtube, learned to play each of their melody lines note for note on a guitar then compared them, and found myself deeply disappointed as I really like ABBA, and now I find the chorus of this Fernando song is clearly taken form an earlier source, not necessarily Quizas, Quizas, but as I wrote on my second attempt at adding my new found insight into Knowledge - not to show off may I add, but to share what I've learned with other people - I even stated that the source of the melody of the chorus of Fernando may even be a Cuban folk song written prior to Quizas, Quizas. How much more "verifiable" can this be? All you have to do, Swadge2, is listen to the two songs, it's so clear their similarity, you don't need any musical knowledge, you could quite literally sing the melody of one over the other. But again, it would seem that a cursory reading of Knowledge's rule is that the keyword here is "verifiable" and how it's interpretted. I also -once more - acknowledge that Knowledge states that its pages are not the place to publish new information- but returning to the example of Mr. Lunatic and his published Dr./ Prpfessor friend who want to promulgate their poisons, how would one go about sharing what one learns with others when what one has learned isn't a mere theory, but is 100% "verifiable" without the need for specialist equipment or whatever, ie - the casual non-skilled reader could verify the fact in question with very little effort made on their part.
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Spanish song I referred to and suing Benny, Bjorn and Stig for what - to my ears anyway - sounds like a very strong case for potential sonic plagiarism. I currently don't have a shekel to my name, but when I do, if nobody's got there before me, that's where my first major pay check will be going. Ah, Benny and Bjorn, masters of the game - never thought I'd say it, but sirs - unless there's some information I'm missing here, on this occassion at least, I'm highly unimpressed, but we can all get together and play Cluedo at some future date when it will inevitably be revealed who indeed it was that killed Professor Plumb with the candlestick. Till then, gents, god hälsa och tack för musiken... And once again, Swadge2 - all the best and happy Knowledge-ing. :-)
899:, it is described that, a personal website, such as that on which you might publish your recognition of the similarity, is not considered a reliable source. In considering the other example you raise, that of "Mr. Lunatic" and his academic associate, it seems to me that any evidence that Mr. Lunatic's associate might attempt to publish supporting the former's white supremacist ideas, would almost surely fail Knowledge's reliable source guidelines. Given that the kind of racial science that the academic might try to argue for has been long discredited, I think that he would struggle to have his research published in any reliable journal, given that it would almost surely fail peer-review. If the associate published in the kind of fringe or pay-to-publish publication that might accept such ideas, the source would still likely not meet Knowledge's guidelines (see information at
961:, I am most glad to hear that my reply adequately addressed your query. In preparing my reply I gained a significantly better grasp on these areas of Knowledge policy, which will surely help me in my future editing, so I must thank you for presenting me such an opportunity. Regarding the lawsuit you propose, I can't say that I'm exactly the legal type, nor currently possessing of the sums of money that I'd imagine are involved in obtaining such a copyright, so I might have to leave this one to you. All the best to you too, and I hope you will still, despite this similarity, be able to enjoy the music of ABBA! -
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885:. I will quote the first line, which seems to me to give a clear and concise summary of the overall idea, that "verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source". As the information that your edit added does not come from a reliable source, it is not verifiable in the sense in which that word is used in Knowledge policy, hence my reversion, even if the similarity may seem obvious to yourself.
867:. Thank you very much for your message. You raise a number of points, and I will attempt to address them all to the best of my abilities, though I have been editing Knowledge for less than a year, so these abilities might not be comprehensive, however they are hopefully sufficient. Concerning the actual change you made, with the additional information you've now provided regarding how you came to recognise this similarity, I think the edit would violate
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611:, I do see that some edits in 2020 added information about the organization's financial issues, but this is well sourced as I described in my last message. I do agree that these edits perhaps over-emphasised this information, and will look at editing to correct this, but I think some mention of the incidents in 2015 is justified. Thanks,
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Perhaps, but can we revert to the original put in in 2013 and edited for 7 years before this attack? There are numerous favorable mentions, and some of the sources cited here are deliberately negative. I have a lot of work to do, but we did not know this was going on, and so are caught off guard.
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Sir, I am POSEIDON OF GREECE. I am very sorry, but I am not having the source name currently with me. It was a library reference book and I do not remember its name. But I sure that my information is relevant because have myself read it. But still, I will try to find that book and give its name in
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Scanner lurcher gypsy lurcher and lady wolfhound all the dogs are known as hounds not dogs and are medieval mixed bred for
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Sir, I am POSEIDON OF GREECE. Can it be possible to publish it without such reference problem. I am asking it as I know that the information is relevant.
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