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since you agree that you don't have the slightest interest in this topic, and you know nothing about the merits of the argument, I'm not sure why you have interjected yourself, by blocking the editor (me) who is trying to uphold
Knowledge (XXG) standards for verifiability, while allowing the crackpots like Akuvar to have free reign over the article. You seem to completely misunderstand the principle of verifiability on which Knowledge (XXG) is based. If I Tom Van Flandern called himself The Emperor of the Universe, would you favor referring to him in the article as "The Emperor of the Universe"? Of course not, because there is no verifiable source that supports this. It is not my responsibility to prove that he was NOT the Emperor of the Universe, it is the responsibility of anyone who wants to call him that in the article to give a verifiable and REPUTABLE source for that title. Likewise, if Van Flandern called himself the president and CEO of Meta Research, but if the public records of incorporation show that "Meta Research" was nothing but Van Flandern's vanity title, and it did not exist other than himself, and his web site was purely set up by himself, then would you favor dignifying his web site as anything other than a personal web site? I hope the answer is no.
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Materialscientist warning me not to edit wikipedia articles without discussing on the discussion page. I answered that I HAD justified my edit on the discussion page - whereas the editor who reverted my edit (and lodged a complaint about me) had not. I then re-iterated the justification for the consensus wording on the Discussion page and restored it again. Then I was blocked. Still the editor who is trying to promote crackpot pseudoscience has not given any justification for his edit, but I have been blocked for not justifying my edits. This seems bizarre to me. I don't think blocking me was in any way justified. I have carefully and patiently exlained each of my edits. I have violated no rules. To the contrary, I have simply been working to ensure that Wiki standards of verifiability, no original research, and no promotion of person web sites or personal POVs.
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information. If someone makes a personal web site, but calls it an institutional web site, this does not make it an instutitional web site. Now, you say that the name XXX of Van
Flandern's web site was "officially approved by corresponding authorities", but it isn't clear what you mean. Anyone can call their web site anything they want. You could make a personal web site and call it "The American Institute for Advanced Studies in Theoretical Research", but this doesn't confer on your website the status of an instutitional website. It is still your personal web site.
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Hello. You keep referring "they" and "their" and "themselves" (plural), but the point is that the "Meta
Research" organization only consisted of a single individual, namely, Tom Van Flandern. He was a a pseudo-science crackpot who PRETENDED to belong to an "organization", but it was a fantasy. Now,
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I should also mention that your "justification" for blocking me was that I had made an edit without explaining my edit on the discussion page, but the record plainly shows that I carefully and patiently explained each of my edits on the
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You say "many" of my statements have been disproven, but you decline to state even one such disproven statement. Could you cite just one? In contrast, I've explicitly given the documented evidence disproving your substantative assertions. For example, you asserted that I was engaged in an "edit
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You clearly are not a neutral observer. and your actions have been arbitrary and capricious (at best). Knowledge (XXG) editing is supposed to be based on the rules and policies of
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I really suggest you consult with some scientifically literate people on the subject of Tam Van
Flandern, and ask them if they believe there is any verifiable evidence that "Meta Research" consisted of anything other than Tom Van Flandern himself. If you're truly not interested, then maybe you
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I made an edit to a page, actually just restoring a page to what it had been for many months, and I gave the justification for it in the
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article after your current block expires. This is a routine and polite administrative measure to avoid you being blocked from editing other WP pages; please respect that. It is my obligation to be neutral, and I must note the evidence I have read by now disproves many statements you've made.
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was, which is a fantasy research organization, fabricated by Van Flandern to pretend that he was backed by some reputable instutition. I believe all my edits have been quite consistent with Knowledge (XXG) policy, whereas your edits have been contrary to Knowledge (XXG) policy.
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