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Actually no, it's much better now that you added that paragraph. Also, maybe try reading it from Sci Hub (Wiki doesn't let me paste the link here here). And just a general tip in life: any scientific article you cannot find online can be found on the Sci-hub website, although Idk if it's legal to use
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I don't have accessĀ :(. I added back the Joseph blurb plus Sussex's view (which is pretty common as I've experienced it among
Western linguists -- the view that Bulgarians had opportunity to make a pluralistic language that would encompass Macedonian, but wasted it). Would you prefer I merge the
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