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Don't forget that the UPA fought AGAINST Germany. And the fact that The SS Galicia only fought against the
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At least three authors have either reverted your Odessa to Odesa changes, or have disagreed with you. I find the entire idea of changing the name patently absurd. The entire
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In the territory that was Poland before the war is where there was a lot of collaboration, also that was the UPA stronghold. The UPA existed only in the Polish occupied regions, the UPA led the struggle against the Polish occupation before the war. In the western
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formations. Practically all of these units participated in the round-ups and mass-shootings. The overwhelming majority were recruited in the western
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have their own army, which would later fight against the
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Don't delete my postings on the talk page, I am one person you can't bully. I mean it, stop deleting what I post!! If you delete my postings on the talk page again, I will report you for vandalism. That's not a threat, it's a
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Soviet territories In the German-occupied Soviet territories, local Nazi collaborationist units represented over 80% of the available German forces providing a total of nearly 450,000 personnel organised in so-called
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That alone is not a problem. However, you are arguing the same point of view from the same IP, including (for example) deleting comments from other editors (which is never allowed), at
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It's not the same person though.And yes, I am connected with Pazan.ua, being on the computer at his place. But, as far as I know, there's nothing wrong with that.
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