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think is way more constructive. We really don't need experiments like this that waste other editors' time, when there is enough else to fix and add elsewhere. Thank you for restoring the removed content from Hawke, and I would appreciate it if you could restore any other content which you may have similarly removed.
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User Ak-eater06, I am not deleting information I don't like, I am pointing out that this information is needlessly wordy, or are you really going to say that we NEED to have all those exact numbers for every year he was in office? Also, I only deleted the last sentence because it had three lengthy
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Well that was a pretty unfortunate "experiment", that you also performed earlier on the Howard government and
Menzies Government (1949–1966). I have now spent considerable hours restoring and citing what I could find - and fixing a whole lot of existing citing deficiencies along the way, which I
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I am more troubled by your second assertion. It is not uncommon for people to think that making some minor changes to words eliminates the copyright problem, not realizing the close paraphrasing is still a copyright problem but that doesn't appear to be the situation. Your edit includes long
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about that, I think that Reform and Canadian Alliance should stay separate articles, as the Alliance was created in an effort to "rebrand" the Reform Party and to push the United Alternative agenda. Though I do think that the Conservative Party (1867-1942) and PC articles should be merged.
1772:) What it was, on the other hand, was an impatient request for you to stay away from their page. Such requests are supposed to be honored; it's simply much better to do so. Please don't post on Toddst1's page again. Don't go around attacking them on other pages, either.
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Howdy, you can't go with your personal preference. We should follow WP:BRD and we need a consensus for this major change. Just because a few colleagues call him Skippy doesn't mean it should be included with his full name in the lead.
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you didn't even address what I wrote. We are here to build an encyclopedia, however, we need to build it through accuracy. If additional citations aren't added tomorrow to back up those claims, then I'll reinstate my deletions.
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You don't have to. There don't need to be RFCs. There is a compromise I've proposed on the Dief talk page. GoodDay says they find it acceptable. If you agree to it, we can close the RFCs and move on with productive
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