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Galliano article & remove "neo-Nazi" from its header line, & I know nothing of the fashion world. I've still not read the LW article, only looked over the Russell material, so have no opinion on its balance. I can well believe that it's as you say. I'd been about to write you here, suggesting, as you do, that our discussion with SV is probably no longer useful, due to SV's ad hominems & not responding to our suggestions that comparable Wiki articles be consulted. Repeated references to "hagiography" etc show that the article has been worked with a definite agendum in advance, to combat what SV thinks is a mistaken culture, apparently around Cambridge. This seems in clear violation of Knowledge (XXG) policy. Alethe (talk) 07:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC) §Given your comments, I subsequently scanned the full article, which I should have done earlier. In a word: "disgusting". I doubt it's redeemable by editing. It will stand as evidence for serious people who consider Knowledge (XXG) the encyclopedic equivalent of a no-pest strip. Alethe (talk) 10:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
373:§ I see that the lead has been cut back again to what I attempted on 25 Feb.: good. I don't know why Eagleton is quoted there, even. i) What does he know? ii) Why sh'd the literary quality get add'l emphasis? iii) My gen'l impression is that Spinoza has been the most influential philosophers among artists, latterly Kant, with all the Greenberg stuff, also Nietzsche's back in style. Eagleton's in England--it's all conjecture. More substantively, I note the exchanges in the Edit sections, where you' ve stood ground. SV's made it clear on several occasions that there's a motive behind the existing article: to counter over-reverential attitudes toward LW, esp. at Cambridge (maybe UEA, too). But a) that's not what encycl. articles are for, as is clear from Wiki rules: "not a soapbox", "We strive for articles that advocate no single point of view." Disappointing for Wiki Administrator. So, b) given that the tabloid version of LW has been aired since most of SV's 450+ edits began on Sept 2010, & will always be retrievable, SV can write an article or book to accomplish the stated aim, while the article is made consistent with the others that we keep pointing out. One might begin that job with August 2010 version, but using valid info. in present version.
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