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websites, and even at that anybody with a job title editing a website for pay or as an official position is a USER, so even those can be disregarded almost as easily as any old blog or wiki, and many news websites are calling themselves blogs just to add to the confusion. But
Alastairward is right on something for once: We are here to really discuss his etiquette on WP and his snide remarks in the removal edits of the content everybody so enjoys, despite his opinion against it for whatever reason. The issue of his removal of properly cited content is a part of this discussion because thats what everyone is so angry about, since (again) cultural references/parodies/satire constitute a large portion of south park episodes, and a decent list of them should be present on the actual article since it is just as (if not more) important than the plot itself because of Matt and Trey's emphasis on it. Moving them to the talk page as you stated still gets them to us one way or another, but seeing as they are a major part of every episode, why not move the plot to the talk page? Or the Picture? Or the episode number? I'm sure that constitutes a "compromise", since the only sources for the episode number is the South Park studios website itself and God forbid we place any primary sources for a major part of the episode. South Park acts very much like a median to parody popular culture in a satiric manner, so removing the cultural references is utter blasphemy to a SP article, and causing harm to Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of the subject, and Alastairwards hostility to anyone believing this not only gives me the impression that South Park goes completely over his head (he is a Star Treck follower/editor as well, a completely different breed of show), but also causes edit wars between him and a few too-literal non-specific WP policy followers and the rest of the South Park fans/WP users that actually know more on the subject and what it stands for than the opposition. At times its like an English major is editing an article on computer science, citing references without knowing anything about the article's target, although they (at least believe) they are "following" all the guidelines written for doing so for every article, not just special topic-specific rules. If we can use the actual episode as a source for the plot (which constitutes only roughly half a SP episode, the other being satire), why can't we use it also for the satire itself and add the cultural references to the article, not the talk page, where they belong alongside the plot so that the entire episode is thoroughly explained, not just a minute (completely secondary source referenced) plot description?
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Alastairward removing them takes away one of the reasons I visit WP in the first place. Wish he would just go away and leave things be. He has such a lack of a life as to follow WP policy to the point where he is the only one supporting his edits, and I really wish I can find the page where it says an episode is a good enough source for the corresponding plot, but I can't. I'll continue to fight this as much as I can.
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First of, my apologies. I wanted to say I'm sorry already, but before I could left you the message I had in mind, you already responded on my talk page. I was getting real sick of myself acting like a moron. So in a way, I'm apologizing to myself as well. This is my last message, so let me say this
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We've both made mistakes, we're both humans, but I don't by any definition other than your own owe you an apology, so find something better to do that doesn't involve editing my talk page or sandbox. Let it go, since for someone under editor review you should watch this kind of behavior more, don't
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I appreciate everything you have done. I have set a final destination to this problem. Since the admins in the
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No problem. Don't mind spending a little after hours time on this since I seriously hate this guy (though not personally) and his stupid edits to SP articles. I have watched South Park since the original unnamed at the time episode that circulated via email in the 90's (wish I still had it). I get
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Yeah, it's thoroughly annoying. But you cannot do anything about it, since we do not own the articles in question, whereas others do. Also, you cannot question others' behaviour, since they are right and righteous. We are vandals with malicious intent. Yeah, you didn't know it, but we're the dark
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I've reported Alastairward today after he reverted my edit at least 5 times within less than 24 hours. I'll be more than happy to put a stop to this travesty. If I can be of any further help, let me know.
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bickering like children over this. If he has that much of a lack of a hobby (or two), then so be it - others will notice his claims and edits and block/remove him accordingly.
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