1215:. I hadn't logged-in for awhile, so missed your request on talk page for identifying secondary sources. Apologies about that. I have now provided examples of secondary sources on talk page, plus a new citation (secondary source) has been added to a Guardian review of the artist's film Concrete Forms of Resistance. Other citations (eg 1, 2, 3, 4, 8...) are secondary sources, independent of the subject or venue, such as reviews in professional contemporary art journals and film magazine publications etc. Hope this answers your question and addresses notability requirements. If you have time to check the page for any other issue, such as neutrality, that would be much appreciated. I feel these templates are somewhat undermining the page's content and I'm anxious for it to be improved and all Wiki guidelines met. Many thanks again for any help in resolving this.
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doesn't mean "infinite"). Those are the relevant facts. Therefore I felt it was worth trying semiprotection. I'd appreciate if you refrain from presuming to know the mind of another administrator that led to this decision to reduce protection, and instead assume good faith that the decision wasn't made in ignorance.
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While I did not know the history of this sockmaster, I observed that the sockpuppets were blocked, the edit filter log showed nothing since protection was applied, and new sockpuppets would still be prevented from editing by semiprotection, and ECP should not be permanent in most cases ("indefinite"
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Okay, I get what you're saying. However, your point about the Pope is unfounded; while the Pope's use of the term was the entrΓ©e to the conversation, the main thrust of Sowell's criticism (and what I quoted from) was of the term itself. As for the rest, I'll certainly take note and do better next
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If you look at my history of protection, you will see that I err on the high side compared to other administrators, usually applying more protection than others would think necessary. Indef ECP did not seem necessary here. I could have applied an end date, but I figured we might as well try indef
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We have administrators with checkuser privileges, which include a number of technical tools to determine which accounts are operated by the same person. You were open and transparent about having two accounts, so there was no need to involve a checkuser admin. If you weren't transparent about it,
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I think economists recognize the concept as a political policy position and no economist has ever advanced it as a "theory". There's room for expanding on this point in the body of the article, and briefly mentioning it in the lead section. You just went about it in the wrong way. I suggest you
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I found a Thomas Sowell quote on trickle-down economics and added it to the article for context. You deleted it saying: "this article is about the term, and doesn't refer to a 'theory'. All Sowell says is that no economist ever advanced such a theory." However, the article clearly discusses the
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Hi, I just want to clear this doubt. I have only two accounts, one being unusable now. What if someone else starts copying me just to put me into troubles, and I am unaware of it. What should I do then.?
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