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you allow for it to happen. They restore their content if it gets deleted/reverted, but this is not the case here. You're interpreting me wrong if you think I meant this will cease "Rishabisajakepauler's return to the encyclopedia on a new account or IP", not with their track record anyway. That's not the entire point, it's that their work should not be allowed to stay in place. You're right that my time could be spent more constructively, but I'm not leaving it at this because it creates the precedent for this to be considered acceptable. You didn't alter the article's existing content, nothing was changed per se, definitely not significanty; the sock's content, everything from their wording to their references are still in place. Your
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to me that you are just looking for excuses to keep the article live, perhaps because you were the first to edit/restore it with chart peaks? I repeat, you still have not cited any guidelines that stands against what I, and WP:EVADE state. I have not redirected the article back because I do not wish to engage in an edit war, and instead was hoping to get through to you. I respect you very much for the hardworking editor you are, and I'm not trying to be snarky when I say the following, because it may come across that way, and perhaps you don't see it as such, but it's okay to be wrong. I've had to accept that many times on here. Pinging
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encouraged, I meant the fact that an article this sock created is still live, is definitely an encouragement for them, specifically this sock, to return to creating articles, because as is the case here, their work stays in place, and that can happen again, because they will see it, and users like
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their work tells us they know their edits are not encouraged because they're not still live. You are focusing on expunging this one article and I'm sure there's more constructive uses of your time than thinking if this article stays that it is somehow expediting
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looks freaking amazing! GA-level quality if you ask me. And to think it was for a song that was only released three or so weeks ago? Freaking amazing. Great job AshMusique!
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