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Knowledge (XXG) study, which is my specialty, and I don't recall any that was limited to US residents only. If I was your advisor I'd be trying to figure out how to fix this glaring problem before the survey stage, as I am sure it is something that's possible to fix. As it is now, I can only say that were I a reviewer for any resulting paper, I'd be seriously concern about whether any findings are reliable enough for publication since there is no theoretical reason to limit survey to US residents only, and resulting findings will be skewed. Sorry to say, but I think unless you can fix this issue, I'd recommend people to avoid taking the survey, as the results, limited as they are due t the methodological error, will be problematic. I strongly recommend you reapply to your IRB to remove those weird shackles and open the survey to non-residents.
490:, you know me so well. I read this post with interest on the WiR page until I saw limit of the scope to US history. We are now and have always been a global world, not only because of human migration, but also because of legal and political expansion through colonization. Focusing solely on the US, the context is lost of how historical events did not happen in isolation. Writing comprehensive history is hard and one the most frequent reasons for that is that historians have tended to focus on Fooian narratives that give only mainstream/nationalist accountings of the past. As Knowledge (XXG) is a mirror of those trends, it is hard to include the stories of the un- and under-represented throughout history and even more difficult without understanding the context of international social development.
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You should just ask people if they are a resident (yes/no/other). I probably fall under 'other', but really, I can't think of why you'd want to reduce your eligible responses by ~60% (I estimate only ~40% of En wiki editors are US residents). Wouldn't just asking them for their nationality be enough? You could then compare US citizens to the rest of the world. PS. FYI I am one of Top 200 active editors on this project, I extensively write about history - mostly Polish but sometimes US - and yet while you say you want to study editors who write about history you exclude me for a bizarre reason... here's a lesson: think more about a methodology. PPS. I am an associate professor of sociology these days, so take my word as advice from a senior colleague.
1137:. Even if each person spends 10 seconds reading the message before realizing they don't want to participate, you've used our own system interface to waste 2 person-hours of our users' time, and there's no indication that you're going to stop. Many of these people are not your target audience. That is not what user talk pages are for (as you've discovered, it is also not what our "email this user" feature is for). Placing general notices at some targeted Wikiproject noticeboards is fine. Perhaps some related Wiki projects have an opt-in newsletter they send out monthly; you could ask those projects to mention your survey, but please leave people alone on their talk pages. --
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basic way to formulate your ideas for a more in-depth, specific survey, or to recruit participants for such a survey, but in that case questions like #7 are hardly fair to ask, especially without an apparent character limit on the field - you are going to be wasting a lot of people's time for data that is unlikely to be particularly helpful. The fact that you've apparently changed recruitment methodology twice already is also of significant concern. What approach did your ethics board actually
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That would make the project far more complicated. Surveys are just a small part of my project. Of course, I want to do that in the future and expand my project by including non-US users. It is correct that I am not an active user of
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looking at the group of people between these two extremes - those with an interest in history who aren't full time academics - it often seems to me that when you read online comments, Americans seem to sometimes have less understanding of other nations' histories, or when discussing shared history, Americans are more likely to understate the role of other nations.
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Americans is interesting in itself. Are you only interested in American history, or the thoughts of Americans? For example, while academics of both nations try to be objective, and all nations have nationalists who will always take their own nation's side, when
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I got one of your requests and I have no problem with being asked, wish you all the best with your PhD and would be interested to read your results. {I know some are saying you shouldn't contact us but when your thesis is written, I think it would be good if you could contact all you asked and send
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Americans claiming their role in WW1 was as important as WW2, while almost entirely ignorant of the role of the Indians, Canadians or Anzacs. But this is effectively hearsay, I have no data to analyse this either way and would be interested to
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I see. Seems like I need to put on my grumpy professor hat :/ Thanks for providing another example of how IRB is crippling research. I am so glad I was able to move to a place where IRB rules are much less stifling. Either way, your research has a major methodological flow. I have read hundreds of
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You'll see I've also raised this on the WiR talk page. It seems to me you need to ask your professors how you can extend responses to those living outside the United States. Much of the most informative work on history has been carried out by non-residents. See for example all the detailed work on
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These days, several colleges are coming up with more and more ... nuanced ... degree majors/minors, but this one has escaped me. I'm also a bit surprised your thesis was accepted - with all due respect, the value of it concerning Wiki editors would not pass muster at many other institutes of
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Sorry for sending so many messages on the talk pages of users. I thought that it would be an appropriate way of recruiting participants for my study. I would just leave my survey messages in the talk pages of the WIkiprojects and not send more in the users' talk pages.
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USAnian, but you should start looking at people's user pages before posting on their user talk page. By adding the message to user talk pages of users who are not eligible to participate, you don't just risk annoying people but you also make your study less robust.
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