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have been in how I've dealt with the Satin article. On the other 600+ edits I've done I simply did my thing (which is almost always accepted and kept in the articles) and went on my merry way to the next edit. On the Satin article, instead of working with you in a civil manner, I let my emotions get in the way and just barged straight ahead like a bull in a china shop. I sincerely apologize for my actions, to include stressing a frail senior citizen. I was properly punished: several admins kicked my derriere all the way down the hall. By the way, I am not a spring chicken either so in this ordeal I have imparted stress upon myself! It is time for us both to relax.

983:: I have created several new Notes to convey what I know about Satin and Europe. The only substantial critique of Satin's writing I've seen from a Euro-left perspective actually comes from an American, the aforementioned Dana Cloud, who is steeped in European Marxist and neo-Marxist thinking. She has written two essays putting Satin's ideas up against the writing of non-North American post-Marxists, and I cite them in my Notes. Other Notes convey more neutral material. One points to mainstream Swedish interest in Satin's and other New Agers' ideas. Another tells of German and Austrian contributors to the German edition of 564:: The purpose of that brief sentence was (a) to remind the reader that, despite the enormity of the events discussed, Satin was just a kid; and (b) to provide a marker signaling the end of the first (radical) phase of Satin's political life, just as a similar sentence at the end of the "Ten Key Values" sub-section - "He was 45 years old" - provided a marker signaling the end of the second (New Age) phase of his political life. However, since this does not appear to work for you, I assume it will not work for many other readers. So I have eliminated both sentences. - 618:: The source, an academic named David Churchill, uses an even more dubious word, "prefigured." I did quote him originally, but paraphrased the quote after my first FAC review, when Wiki editors told me I was using too many lengthy quotes. I have revised my paraphrase in response to your comment, eliminating "re-envision" and using the admirably simple phrase "came to see," and I think the paraphrase now gets Churchill's meaning across more deftly than a quote from him would do (plus Churchill's article is now online, and I link to it on first mention). - 2153:

of my knowledge (and I have seen all the sources in the Knowledge (XXG) article), Satin has never been described as a coward in a credible source. However, I believe your perspective on Satin's draft evasion is shared, or would be shared, by tens of millions of people, and I feel the article should attempt to accommodate that view in some way in the Assessments section. I wrote a small note yesterday explaining my feelings and will look it over and put it up below, hopefully tomorrow or as soon as I alter the Assessments section accordingly. -

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most prominent actors, books and organizations under each subject heading, just as any hard-copy encyclopedia would do, and the radical centrism aricle is very careful to do that. Earlier, the radical centrism artcle got in troubble for listing too many small or start-up organizaions and websites - it had become what in Knowledge (XXG) circles is known as a "clothes horse" or a "promo site" - and we had to whittle them down to the most essentil. If you look under entries 18 and 20 on the radical centrism talk page,

208:: I agree! The problem here is that the URL to the actual Files page is over 100 characters long, and after a couple of weeks it stopped working on Knowledge (XXG). (The search page has a shorter URL and leads with the Files link.) Anyway: I have restored the long Files link, and hopefully it will last now. I have also e-mailed the relevant person at the Contemporary Culture Collection at Temple University Libraries, and asked him to simplify the URL so we can link to it with confidence on Knowledge (XXG). - 439:: Google's first definition of "valorizing" is giving or ascribing value to something. Merriam-Webster's second def. of "valorize" is to assign value or merit to something. Both definitions are consistent with the way I used the word, and the way it's commonly used in academic discourse at least in my part of the woods. But your larger point is well taken: why use a $ 50 word where a simpler word will do? So I changed valorizing to "praising," and I simplified other words over the course of the article. - 2758:. As someone who tends to write walls-of-text, you might be better served to try and summarize your argument(s) a bit better to make it easier for others to digest. Also, I'd consider choosing more a neutrally worded section heading the next time around since the main discussion about the use of these galleries is not policy/guideline-compliant, which seems like a compelling of enough reason to me. Finally, referring to anything article related on Knowledge (XXG) as "my so and so" usually inevitably leads to 959:: I have now specified, in the sentence immediately preceding that paragraph, that all these critics are within the U.S. The are all significant, even those that are unlinked: Cumbey's book was a bestseller, Rhodes's and Groothuis's books were brought out by major Christian publishing houses, Cummings and Hess are professors with well-received later books under their belts, and Dana Cloud has long been a target of the far right, in part because of her interest in radical thinkers and ideologies. - 1802: 1404: 761:: This is a fascinating and almost forgotten topic. I created a brief Note on it, with links to the relevant pages in two reputable books. (During the McCarthy era, and until the late Sixties in places like Texas, students and profs at some state universities did have to take loyalty oaths.) Because of your questions here, I realized there were other tangential points of interest my article may have raised, and I created a number of other Notes in an effort to address them. - 646:. Anansi's entire name ("House of Anansi Press") is mentioned at the beginning of the "Manual" sub-section. But to make sure that the reader remembers, I do two new things now: (a) I reproduce the entire name in the middle of the paragraph you reference, in a context that makes it clear who they are, and (b) instead of referring to "House of Anansi" at the end of that paragraph, I refer to "House of Anansi Press." Thus the paragraph is less streamlined, but totally clear. - 351:: I am afraid I misled you (and other viewers) by the way I began that paragraph. Satin's undergraduate career was undistinguished, and is noteworthy for only one thing: the way it foreshadowed the restlessness and rebelliousness that characterized his adult life. I now begin the paragraph by stating that his early life was characterized by restlessness and rebelliousness (with links to two good sources), and present his behavior at the three schools in that context. - 734:: Good points. The section now acknowledges Satin's early restlessness and rebelliousness, and it does away with the drama at the end, replacing family pyrotechnics with the simple fact of the chasm between Satin and his parents (and evidence that such chasms were common between draft dodgers and their families). These points are important for understanding the "Later life" section, and the paragraph on the roots of Satin's rebelliousness in the "Legacy" section. - 3172: 2003: 411:: The phrase "tired of" is so common that it does not need quotes, and I removed them as you suggested. (But I did leave that passage in there, because it provides good evidence for the point I make two paragraphs down: one of the ways Satin broke with the Programme's culture was by courting the press, rather than treating it with indifference or disdain.) I went on to eliminate quote marks from other words and phrases elsewhere in the article. - 1247: 594:: Agreed. I have eliminated the quote marks from all those words, with the esception of "useful." (When America's leading book review called Satin's draft dodger manual "useful" in 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War, it was an act of courage or extreme foolhardiness, depending on your POV; the word needs to be quoted to be believed). As explained above, I have eliminated quote marks from many other words throughout the article. - 3081: 2993: 2918: 2621: 2509: 1849:. Specifically you made a comment that the organization link www.JustStreetSense.com was a promo site. I happen to know that it is a legitimate organizational site of the Centrist Foundation. There are no ads or anything to suggest it is a promo site. I am requesting you check it out and restore that site's listing on this page. Thank you in advance abraham 02:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)amadha0719 467:- repetitive verbal constructions that allow for quick and easy comparisons between thoughts or behaviors. They are not uncommon in academic writing. I appreciate your point that they are not welcome on Knowledge (XXG), and I have eliminated them not only here but elsewhere in the article, including one in the "Radical Middle, the book" sub-section that went on for two paragraphs! - 24:

through a productive peer review. In November I re-nominated it here, but withdrew it (to save Knowledge (XXG) editors time and trouble) after I realized that all the editors were saying essentially the same thing: I needed to make sure the article was written in what one called the Knowledge (XXG) "house style." I have now done that - simplified words, shortened sentences, etc.

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widely recognized as the first, most ambitious, or most adequate attempt to construct an original political ideology out of the social movements of the post-Vietnam era. It identifies an emergent "third force" in North America pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." For the purposes of the lead I would reduce this to: "Satin wrote

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I hope I can get around that by citing only to the bibliography - it is that good.) Also in that Note, I cite the criticism of Europe's arguably most prominent political thinker, Slavoj Zizek, who takes New Age ideology seriously (unlike many radical activists) but focuses, as he often does, not on ideologists like Satin but on popular works like

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from the context that he is contrasting Satin's everyone-has-a-handle-on-the-truth approach to Coulter's fiercely partisan approach. I linked her so people could see who Cox was talking about, and I left your link to militant in there just in case some truly innocent readers need to know more about the concept. That is enough.

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wartime. The Vietnam War was a tumultuous time, and he was a very young man, so I very clearly understand why he made the difficult choice he did. Your edit enhances your article rather than detract from it because it is historically correct. I don't have any more edits for the article - it is perfect as it stands.

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I don't have a problem with Ben Franklin being in the article either. Like an idiot I didn't realize how important Franklin was to Satin's cause having not researched Satin at all (unlike you) prior to first reading your article. I am a relative beginner on Wiki and unfortunately most of my blunders

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After engaging in an edit war of sorts with the author of this interesting, albeit politically polarizing, article about the draft dodger Mark Satin it seems that Babel41 has given some ground and so have I and a mutual understanding has been reached. I will no longer try to "degrade" this article.

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After winning a "Featured Article" award, as my Mark Satin article did on February 16, 2012, it is customary for the nominator or principal author to send a customized "barnstar" to the Knowledge (XXG) editors who helped bring the article up to snuff. I thought you'd enjoy seeing the barnstar I sent

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1) The word "coward" must be in The "Assessment" section; 2) No association of Satin to Benjamin Franklin; 3) Keep the change where I removed your characterization of Ann Coulter as a "militant" which anyone with a sensible mind should know is a libelous terminology of that woman. She is only a

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Another links readers to the very best bibliography I've seen combining New Age political writings from Europe and North America, including Satin's. (It is in a master's thesis from 2008 from Aarhus University in Denmark. I know Knowledge (XXG) generally does not favor citations to M.A. theses, but

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That's good to know. I was worried I'd have to dive in and screw something up! Please know that there are those of us who think this is still an encyclopedia, and appreciate and respect all the work editors like you put into these excellent articles. Hopefully this episode was an aberration and will

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Thus you have done all you can do for me at present, and I will not contact you until another irate person begins to hack away at the article. Satin accumulated many enemies over the years, conservatives, Marxists, liberals, Greens (someone labeled him a "twot" on the Infobox this month, that could

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Hi Babel41. I read through the points you left in my talk page and I was kinda going to action them but then I noticed the part where some links were removed for preparation for the front page and your comment that consistency is important there... then my last revert and subsequent edits by you. So

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I applaud you, Babel, for making this change to the article. I was relieved when you correctly ascertained that tens of millions, if not a clear majority of Americans, whether they donned a uniform in combat or not, may feel differently about Satin and the choice he made to not serve his country in

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I am afraid I am caught up in Christmas festivities (or at least "festivities") at the moment. But I promise I will check for dead links and other faults by the end of the weekend (I've actually been doing this periodically since April 2012) and will review the 1200 characters as well. All best, -

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Dear Brian and Dank, - This is great news! I am so glad that all the exacting work that went into that article, not least of all by you two, has led to its getting in front of a potentially large audience. And the timing's great - such a moment of political turmoil and questioning in the U.S. right

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Opposes tend to come quickly at FAC even for some articles that have only minor problems ... it doesn't mean we dislike the article, it means we're doing what we've been told to do by the FAC delegates. If there are many early supports and opposes followed by a lot of changes, the delegates have no

846:: Well, my dictionary defines "valorizing" exactly as I used it in the article (see my note about this word to Brian above). But I totally agree with your main point, that I should avoid obscure or difficult or pretentious words. So I removed "valorizing" and other such words throughout the text. - 2360:

Hi Frog, thanks for your continuing concern. As you'll see from the Mark Satin History page, several senior editors or administrators stepped in and got rid of the politically and maliciously motivated edits, and (as I told you I'd do two days ago), I reverted all the substantive edits that needed

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I am sorry the article about Satin rubbed you the wrong way. Satin interests me because, unlike most of the other radicals of his generation, he spent most of his life trying to create original alternatives to liberalism and socialism. (And many liberals and socialists did not appreciate that, as

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Mr. Parker has indicated in his talk page that he will "cease and desist" from his intention to disrupt this article. As I stated in Bishonen's talk page, we would like to make this right. Do you think it's worth it to roll back the edits back in time before the disruption began? Please let me know

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4. Now this may surprise you, but I want you to know that I spent part of yesterday working on a way to put the c-word (coward) into the Assessments section of the article – a way that would not violate Knowledge (XXG)'s cardinal rules of Nettral Point of View and No Original Research. To the best

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1.) Michael, please remember, Knowledge (XXG) is an encyclopedia. It is a record of what credible sources - including, in a biography, the biographee - say about a subject, preferably in books or published articles. It is not a record of what Knowledge (XXG) editors think should have been said or

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I will acquiesce to the author's request that Satin not be called a "coward". I guess that it just my opinion. I don't hate the guy I just disagree with his choice. Certainly Mr. Satin doesn't believe he deserves that title, nor does the author of the Mark Satin article who vehemently opposed my

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You're in luck ... your article is of interest to my main area of interest, the military history project, one of the most active and supportive projects on Knowledge (XXG), and I've tagged the article as such. If a delegate fails to promote the article at FAC, my recommendation is that you pass on

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The reviewers depend very much on each other, on previous reviewers, and on how the community has responded to articles; no one reviewer knows enough to evaluate an article. This article has sprung fully formed, like Athena, and landed at FAC. It would take me a week solely devoted to the sources

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We need a clearer picture of Satin's undergraduate career. He drops out of the University of Illinois, and is then told to leave Midwestern State University (how did he get to be there?), before we find him dropping out of State University of New York at Binghamton – again with no information as to

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After the two brief notes below, I reprint 31 comments (from four editors) that I received during my second FAC review. Instead of responding to them there, I wrote a brief note saying I'd review my entire article with the spirit of those comments in mind. Now that I've done that, I have inserted

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Hi Michael and EditorExtraordinaire, - I appreciate your courtesy for thanking me earlier today for my re-edits. I do think your concern that people will think my source (Larry Cox of the Tucson Citizen) was talking about Ann Coulter as a military-style militant is overblown; it should be obvious

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SandyGeorgia: Have spent over an hour trying to find the passage and can't. Should have linked it; sorry. As I recall, it was a passionate defense of the need for Knowledge (XXG) to continue to enforce its high editing standards, and as a writer-editor, I identified with it and the spirit behind

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I think it's ready for FAC and will do well at FAC, assuming Nikki and Ealdgyth are content with your responses to their points. The scarce resource at FAC is reviewers, and reviewers tend to pick shorter articles to review first ... so it's possible this may have to go through a couple rounds at

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Second, and at least as decisive, is that Knowledge (XXG) is an encucliopedia. It is not a social media site to help organizations and websites recruit participants. (There are plenry of those now, and I hope JustStretSense takes advantage of them.) Knowledge (XXG)'s purpose is to report on the

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The lead's function is that of a broad outline summary of the main article, and at present I think there is too much detail, for example in the following extract: "Satin wrote the book New Age Politics, published by Dell in 1979. Despite what some see as its off-putting title, New Age Politics is

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3. I saw briefly this afternoon that you've made many other changes to the article. I will review them all but not right away, I am afraid I am rather frail and have other obligations both domestic and work-related. If I reverse many of your changes, please don't take it personally. The Satin

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Over-complex sentences, e.g.: "Instead of refusing to "baby sit" Americans after they arrived, Satin made post-emigration assistance a top priority – the office soon sported comfortable furniture, a hot plate, and free food, and within a few months, 200 Torontonians had opened their homes to war

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I am nominating this biography (touching on Vietnam War-era draft dodging, New Age politics, and radical centrism) for featured article status because it has been carefully developed over time. This is its third FAC review. I first nominated it five months ago (August 11). In October I put it

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First, the Knowledge (XXG) article is meant specifically for radical centrism, and your website is for centrism in general. We want to keep our focus specifically on radical centrism, already an enormous topic as you can see from the length of our article. Moreover, there is a Knowledge (XXG)

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in 2004. His actual words were "antidote for the nastiness and attack-dog mentality of Ann Coulter." I paraphrased that to shorten it. Please know that when you see passages you don't like in the Satin article, they are faithful renditions of material (that you might not like). They are not

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bio up to Featured Article status without the unique contributions (not to mention tact and patience) of each of you. I am probably two to three times your age, and not at home with this technology. But working with you gave me a glimpse of a beautiful 21st century world in which individual

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Sentence "He was not even against the draft, telling reporters he would support it for a defensive army ..." could be better. "Even" sounds too informal; and the sentence seems at odds with the rest of the article. Maybe a better wording would be "He was not entirely opposed to the draft,

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378:: Agreed. I do want to note the tension between Satin and his parents, though: it may help us understand what drove him (as Roger Neville Williams suggests in the "Legacy" section). It also helps make the "Later life" section more understandable. So I rewrote that paragraph to read 2930:

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figments of Babel41's imagination. I will look at how you changed the passage. Perhaps in today's world, with ISIS et al., "militant" has an frightening ring that should be avoided. I will reconsider the wording in light of 2015. But I've been reading Ann Coulter since her

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I do understand that you find parts of the article dismaying. However, it tells Satin’s story from a strictly neutral point of view – otherwise it could never have become a Featured Article at Knowledge (XXG) and I could never have received the award mentioned just above your

273:: This looks an interesting and comprehensive article. I note that it has been through FAC before, and more recently underwent an extensive peer review. However, in reading through the first few sections I identified a number of issues which I think require further attention: 2119:; the quote in the article comes from a section called "Franklin to Peters to You." You may not like the fact that Satin draws on Franklin in that way. But it is a fact, Michael, and so the picture belongs there. I will give you a chance to restore it before I do. 585:

There is a tendency towards the overuse of quotation marks, especially for unremarkable terms like "useful", "detailed advice", "warm welcome", "ecourage" etc. These words or terms aren't worth putting in quotes, which should be reserved for rather more striking

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If you are three times my age, you are the world record-holder by a very considerable margin. But thank you for your generous tribute, and congratulations on bringing this fine aticle to featured status. I look forward to its future mainpage appearance.

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FYI, I hold no brief for Satin. I think he is a far more interesting figure than most of the radicals from his generation that are better known; that's why I chose to write about him. But the article does not seek to defend him or to pretty up his

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232:: Satin is still alive (age 65 and going blind), but many of his projects - the Progranme, the Alliance, the newsletters - are no longer with us. I have gone through the article with a fine-tooth comb, making sure that Satin's books and ideas are 2345:

I'm not sure at this point that I want to be reverting wholesale without first making sure you're OK with that. Or, have you excised all the problematic content? Let me know, I'm watching your talk page. I just don't want to make things worse!

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If you described Coulter as a "partisan political militant" that would be even better. That would make it very clear that she isn't being portrayed as the gun wielding definition of militant. Just a suggestion, and a reasonable one I

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responses after each of the comments below, to give you a better sense of how I've changed the article. (I responded to Nikkimaria's comments during my second FAC review, and you can see those and the entire second FAC review

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Dear Mr. Free Range Frog, - God bless you, I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this. I will look carefully at all Parker's edits (unfortunately, that will have to wait until late tomorrow) and then get back to you. -

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I'm here to help, and IMNSHO, I can help. You're clearly a brilliant writer, you clearly know your subject, and it's not inconceivable that the article will pass FAC, but please understand a couple of things about FAC:

286:, in which he identifies an emergent "third force" in North America, pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." Likewise in the third paragraph, there is scope for summarisation. 3124: 3036: 2958: 2661: 2549: 2424:. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose 724:

In high school, Satin appeared to be a model citizen – for example, he wrote a regular column on teenage affairs for the Moorhead newspaper. But another side surfaced within months of his leaving for university.

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Dear Michael, - I was touched to discover your note (above) just now. Also quite stunned, since we have not communicated until this moment. So I have no idea how you can say a "mutual understanding has been

1296:. You'll get at least some feedback there. Peer reviews can last for up to 4 weeks, but you can stop at any point if you've had some helpful reviews and you're in a hurry to get back to FAC. - Dank ( 516:: I eliminated the n-dash and divided that sentence into two (and added a semicolon to the second sentence). Following your lead here, I divided other long sentences over the course of the article. - 3108:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose 3020:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose 2942:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose 2645:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose 2533:. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose 2361:

to be reverted, since (as you told me) content edits are not your bailiwick. Also, in the spirit of Knowledge (XXG), Michael Parker and I have made our personal peace, as you can see from the above.

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Replying to your message on my talk page ... no apologies needed, you're doing great. No one notices hyphens vs. dashes; personally I think it's a non-issue. Feel free to keep the hyphen. - Dank (

905:: Before my first FAC review I was apparently overlinking (I had U.S. high school student readers in mind); now I may err on the side of underlinking. I've worked hard to get the balance right. - 2016:, with political perspectives on "an emerging culture focused on simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility", for detailed edit summaries with the mantra "adding material" - you are an 38:. I have retained the style I used in a 2005 revision (my original 2004 stub contained no references). It is a composite with the following major features: (1) first name before surname, as in the 3179: 2040: 2017: 726:— It's not my experience that people who write to newspapers are "model citizens"; quite the opposite often. The whole of the quoted section feels a bit popular biography rather than encyclopaedic 56:. I have linked authors and publishers here only if they are not linked anywhere in the text or in the "Publications" section; and I have only linked authors or publishers here on first mention. 29: 2076:

Thank you, Babel41, for being a reasonable person with whom I could reach agreement. It is not my policy to degrade articles. My mission is to improve articles and I think I have succeeded.--

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No need to try to answer the question on my talk page, she just wanted to make it clear what her position is. We'll probably get a few reviews on your article within a week or two. - Dank (

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I struggled with the whole of the para, particularly as the unlinked authors aren't given a nationality. Are we just talking about adverse views in the US? If so, that should be made clear.

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No, I understand completely. I've left Carol a note. Looking forward to more of your wonderful articles ... let me know when they hit the review processes (WP:GAN, WP:MHR, etc.) - Dank (

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That is all I have time for at present. I will try to add comments on the rest, but it looks to me as though a little more work is necessary before this article is ready for promotion.

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a verb "to valorize", but it means something completely different: "to fix and maintain an artificial price for a commodity by government action". So the word needs changing here.

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I just am going to add while I can understand feeling frustrated after putting so much time and effort into that particular section, it's best to try and not see this as a

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article represents an extremely careful reading of the sources. The sources do not always state what you, or I, or both of us, might consider to be politically wise.

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2. The reference to Ann Coulter as a "partisan militant" is not my view. It is a paraphrase of what the cited source, Larry Cox, said in his book review of

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think of as legitimate. That is why I am going to have to restore the Ben Franklin picture. Franklin is the foundational political figure in Satin's book

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resisters and a job-finding service had been established". Apart from two "ands", the construction is made awkward by the use of the ndash in mid-sentence.

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for the same purpose. There may be disagreements as to how to achieve that purpose, but in the end it will be consensus which determines the outcome. --

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how he came to be there. Apart from these frequent shifts, what was he supposedly studying at these places – surely that must be on record somewhere?

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Congratulations on the promotion; you've done some impressive work on the article, and your diligence in checking the references is commendable.

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I hope this explanation is helpful to you, and I am sure you can and will find more appropriate forums on which to link your website. Best, -

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editors to look at your rebuttal. I already pointed to the project talk page where this was discussed. Your edit summary is not appropriate.

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Babel41 Apologies in advance for any violation of guidelines here. I am learning the process You made edits on the following article:

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Was there no criticism from eg Sweden or Germany — it doesn't sound like the sort of book to be accepted uncritically in any country.

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Thanks for this. I did what you said. And on August 10, 2011, I replaced that image with a different one with no copyright issues.

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You've put a good deal of work into this, but I feel there are still some issues with the text — I know nothing about the content.

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I had to squeeze the text down to about 1200 characters; was there anything I left out you'd like to see put back in? - Dank (

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way of knowing if early supports are still valid, and work needs to get done twice. In fact, there's a current discussion at

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Hey, that works for me, always happy to get a barnstar I haven't seen before. Your dedication is inspiring. - Dank (

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initiative, collectively honed, can produce socially (in)valuable work that is also first-rate. God bless! -

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Actually, Dank, I can't even begin to express my debt to you. At least the Barnstar is a pretty picture. -

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Changed my mind; it would be better to run this through Knowledge (XXG)'s main peer review before FAC; try

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Beware POVish phrasing. e.g. "Satin appeared to be a model citizen" and "But another side surfaced..."

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You have Satin referring to Americans alternately as "we" or "they"; try to standardize this. - Dank (

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