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do, they would make a claim with a reasonable logic base, and not just personal agenda. And you seem to think that I've never heard of that "ae" being merged as one letter, do you seriously take me as a fool? Hope not, beause only a fool and an intellect would raise this issue in the first place, and I am by NO means a fool. Well, I've made mistakes in my past, but so has everybody, right? But in the scholastic sense, I am no fool, at all. Anyways, just incase you AGAIN misread what I wrote, I didn't claim to believe they pronounce it "PAH-EHD-OH-PHILE", I was just giving an example for my statement "there are words common in both the
British and English dialect that in the British dialect aren't spelled as pronounced". I assumed, based on my reasonings in the first sentence of this paragraph, that both the British and Americans pronounce this word, and similar words, identically. According to you, I am false on this, but I do not have much faith in your credibility, so I will have to look deeper into this one. ANYWAYS, the reason I even made this argument is that you rebutted my original statement that read somewhere along the lines of "generally speaking, English words are pronounced as spelled, letter-by-letter" with the fact that the word "color" is spelled "colour" in Britain, yet it is pronounced "CUH-LIHR".
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Knowledge just the way it is results in a less informative encyclopedia? I said no such thing! My argument is that the inherent nature of an encyclopedia is that ALL of the information is based on one standard, so the reader doesn't get confused, and that this inherent nature must be present in Knowledge as well! It's like trying to subtract X from Z, and expecting a numerical answer, it just doesn't mutually comply, and doesn't work well with an organized, compiled database of informative facts. I agree with you 100% that enhancing your knowledge of dialects is important, but it's just as important as learning how gum is made, learning more about George Washington, and learning what blood is made of, in a relative sense. And this is EXACTLY why there was an article on American/British spelling differences, just as there are articles for chewing gum, George Washington, and blood, and EXACTLY why I chose to raise this issue on that certain articles Talk Page. That's what encyclopedias are for, LEARNING, but learning at your OWN careful and deliberate discretion, not someone elses.
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672:- I'm not very new to Wiki, and if that's a subtle way for you to try to undermind my intelligence, then I resent that statement. And again, do not take my words as rants. Anybody who understands the inherent nature of an encyclopedia understands that this is an important issue. Anyways, the way I worded my post was nowhere near the definition of a rant, please use a dictionary and find out what a rant is for yourself.
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the fact that it's late and I'm tired, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but you should know some yourself. Actually, I CAN think of them, but I'm too lazy, and it would be quite redundant, for lack of a better term. So therefore, strictly speaking, "pedophilia" is by NO accounts a word for "foot fetish".
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If you discerned something other than this, than you are retarded, hands down. I can't understand why you make all these radical interpretations, especially when most of my words are plainly visible. I am in NO WAY contradicting myself here, and if you can't understand this, then I am in NO WAY going
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Of course, this leaves the interesting question of why native speakers would disagree with one another. I did some Google searches for 'site:uk "in X street"' for various popular/well-known street names X (e.g. Oxford Street). To my edification, they come out almost exactly equally popular on
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Judging by your category, I presume that you have heard the word in Lancashire. However, it could have originated in Yorkshire and then spread. It's in the old Yorkshire Dictionary, which was written quite a while ago. Also, if it's in a bordering area of Lancashire, then it's expected that
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I don't mean this as rude, but next time to travel to a football ground, try avoiding the other supporters, and looking around the towns you visit. King's Cross is famous for it: north side of the road between King's Cross station and King's Cross Thameslink (small railway station).
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So, you think that I was ranting, when during the entire article I explicitly noted that I am not, and that this is a serious issue that need not be "stricken down" as hate speech or ranting. Let me rebut all the things you posted on my talk page:
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About the Standard English, obviously, this article was written by a British person, and is extremely POV, thus is not a valid argument against this issue. That's like basing all your knowledge about drugs on government and anti-drug propaganda.
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Thanks for fixing my moving around of players in the blackburn rovers article. wasnt sure if his last name was pederson or gamst pederson. though i think he may of changed his name to just gamst now, though Ill have to look that one up. :)
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If one trys to pronounce this word by the letters, it would sound something like "PAH-EHD-OH-FILE", adding an extra syllable, when it's really pronounced "PE-DOH-FILE", which pretty much follows how the Standard English form is spelled.
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