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which is what I think is causing the problem. There are now so many references to the Venerable Order on the internet (in no small part I suppose because Wiki propogates this terminology), but you will find that on official literature (& indeed in normal parlance by those au fait with correct form) the order has never been styled as such. I think it would be an exaggeration to say that leaving it as "Venerable" rather than changing it to "Most Venerable" was agreed on my Talk page: in my view it was a resignation by me to the status quo. "Venerable" nonetheless remains incorrect and therefore should not be reverted where mistakes are spotted and corrected to "Most Venerable". Also the breast star depicted was not that of KGStJ but that of KJStJ (qv:

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the Order of Malta which is also true. So I guess do we keep muddling along or do we do something about getting the prefix sorted? Whilst Venerable as a colloquialism is well understood, what do you think about Knowledge and its users' almost near-obsession with MOS etc when this is patently wrong and Most Venerable is the proper prefix? Look forward to hearing about whether MOS means anything! but more importantly what to do about it - looking forward to hearing - cheers & best wishes, M

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and Cadet awards are in many ways complements of each other and similar types awards, it would seem to me to make more sense to have these sections go sequentially with each other, rather than separated. You might also want to think of a different title for those sections than "awards," at least on the cadet side. The majority of the items listed are achievement ribbons, and not awards. Only those for the milestones are awards. --

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and German versions shows they talk about a lot of stuff other than the rules of blazon, so maybe we can pick up some ideas from there. It felt a little Anglocentric in places, although this is probably a consequence of most of the English-language literature on the topic being about British heraldry. Maybe once a few more of the

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Hi Boven: it is wonderful that so much attention is being paid to the Order of St John! This constant battle of Wiki idealogy over what is in actual fact correct is becoming a bit wearisome. Needless to say, it is a great pity that the Order of St John page wasn't set up correctly in the first place,

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like most general guides is a broad brush which is why we have local MOS. Most countries don't have authorised PNs. Those that do in the examples we are covering depreciate the OSJ use (Not simply the UK but Canada Australia and others...) because it is not a state order. I can't be bothered to edit

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as my guide for using the post-nomials of the Order of St John. It says "Post-nominal letters, other than those denoting academic degrees, should be included in the lead section when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated."

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Hi Boven: thanks for being back in touch & I agree that the Order of St John situation is a bit of a wrangle - and I wholeheartedly agree with you that the short-form of Order of St John is correct. However, no doubt someone will pop up one day & say that the Order of St John also applies to

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Hi there, just taking a quick look at your work in your sandbox, and one quick comment that comes to mind is the order you've put certain things in. You have the Senior Member awards and Cadet awards separated from each other by a lot of material with the Service awards. Considering that the Senior

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Got your email. Great job on the rewrite, I've been meaning to do something like that since the article had a peer review (which went nowhere) a couple of months ago. It's much more coherent than before, and is now cited properly! The history section is still a bit light; a quick look at the French

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for more; again, I hope that I have not done anything offensive in this process. Note, finally, that I have changed all links to Charles Stein (the heraldrist and skipper) to point to the currently appropriate page, and put a preliminary profile of Charles Stein (the statistician) at

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since there are a Charles Stein, Professor Emeritus of Statistics at Stanford University, a Charles J. Stein (musician), and a Charles Stein who is a columnist for the Boston Globe, all of whom are rather more famous and prominent (though

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As I indicated in my original edit the OSJ statues say use Post noms internally but they are not used externally (except for OSJ business). Which is why wiki guidance in a number of places has previously agreed not to use them here. eg

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no more laudable in their worldly contributions) than Charles Francis Stein, III. Perhaps a disambiguation page is in order also, in addition to the moving of the excellent founder of the American College of Heraldry to

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Btw, I saw your 'officers of arms in the ODNB' proposal. I think it's a good idea, and I do have access to the ODNB, however I'm going to be quite busy for the next few months so I won't be much help with this.

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Thanks a lot. I've re-added the post-nomials to Lord Vestey's page. Is there a local MOS page that describes what should be done specifically with the Order of St John? I haven't been able to find it. Thanks

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A nice little article! Enjoyed reading it, and probably will pick up the novel as I enjoy non-chronological timelines. It's on the main page for DYK now. Cheers --

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As the Lord Prior for a dozen years, I'd say that qualifies. The Manual of Style seems like it ought to be one of the last words on the topic. In fact, the page at

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That looks like a fine system of organization, dave. I'll try to help implement that as I have time. Best of luck!--

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