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Titanic, Lusitania, Morro Castle, Andrea Doria. Those famous wrecks impels one to look at and search lesser known wrecks like Kiche Maru, Niagara, Corsican, Vestris. I wish someone would find the S.S. Waratah(1909) lost on maiden voyage I believe, without a trace. All of us(meaning us posters) are going to have to do some good searching to find info on Kichemaru ie photo. Everyone has to be patient. I believe info will start surfacing soon when we all look.
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hey Ha, I tried, am still trying to download the
Prairie Public Radio broadcast about the SS Dakota you included in the references. It's not playing in Windows or Mozilla. If it's playing on your end please let me know how I can download the program. I love the Prairie Public Radio broadcasts even
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Valencia. I should've known though. It's been a while since I even checked Wiki about Valencia. Seems the article has been around since late 2006, a little over a year. I've always typed in "S.S. Valencia" or plain "Valencia"
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January 22 1906 off Canada. The famous phrase "Nearer My God to Thee" was allegedly sung by the passengers on this ship as they awaited rescue before dying and re-counted by passengers of Titanic remembering
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Kichemaru info. right off hand. I'll post it when I come across it again. I saw the wiki article you started on the S.S DAKOTA. Thanks for that, she's a ship worth remembering. I don't know if you know it or not but there's a
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Ha I found that the Prairie Public radio program for February 6 2006(linked on my talk page) plays just fine. It the linked Prairie Public radio program for March 3 2006 in the SS Dakota reference section that doesn't play. Thanks once again.
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I never saw this photo before and found it while searching Altavista for the Kichemaru/merchant website. I always logged onto Altavista years ago for the Kichemaru site and it was always there so I went back searching.
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with any articles which you worked during the campaign, and also to note any that receive commendation, such as DYK, GA or FA status. You may find the following links helpful in nominating your work:
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