75:@Robotje: - I am very sorry Sir .., but you, as well as others mentioned, are/were continuously changing or reverting my texts on nl:wiki and (with mr. Baas i.e. in de:wiki) you even on more other projects of international wiki's like the Japanese one etc. In the Netherlands my only one of few started articles about Material Waves (from De Broglie's hypothesis) is there completely destroyed by destruction, and even replaced suddenly with a "new" text without even integrating each other after dicussion. As you can see on that talk page: you are there (and elsewhere) constantly discussing my motives - personally attacking me all the time - instead of proving respect for my edits. I never have changed the texts of someone anywhere likewise you people did to me. Neverless with highest esteem and all regards from:
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you, because I am, that's why I asked you if e-mailing was an option for you. If working on
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