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Ok, looks like you haven't changed at all, so let me get involved again. Where are you arguing that Mexico is involved in this so-called "Middle
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I know you have sources, but the consensus of the poll (and other subsequent debates) was to simply say "North
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Anyhow, it's not about that: the sentence and notion of contention doesn't need a comma -- since Mexico comprises much of southern North
America or comprises much of Middle America -- and definitely doesn't need the extra wording above you are insistent upon. So, no, that won't
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in the same sentence, your are implicating that Mexico may not be part of North
America. My edits did not exclude Middle America and you know it, my edits can be a rewording to you, but your edits are an exclusion. I dont see the problem with this
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think we should place it along with the reference to the ten largest cities as reference number two. I also think we should forget about the subregions since the matter is complicated and we may take some days to address the situation.
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I've looked over your block log, and it's considerable. At this stage, I see no evidence that another month being blocked will change your behavior, but I also see not much evidence of anyone actually discussing it with
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For what it's worth, you may take it to heart that even if people are on the wrong side of the debate, a lot of minor incivility looks bad, especially to "uninvolved admins". Give people rope, let them hang themselves.
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it is stated that cities with populations of 295.000 (Aarhus), 487.000 (Copenhagen) and 485.000 (Oslo) in the city proper areas should be included, as i'm really having a hard time finding it :( KR
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I should remind you that you started to revert the sections without consensus, however I'm not against the use of Middle America as long it be separated by a sentence or by a coma. Using an
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Didn't we agree -a long time ago- to only say "North America" in the introduction, and southern North America, Middle America, and all of that in the Geography section?
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