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When you revert the older article not submitted by me, you are actually doing
Wikipedea a dis-service. It is inaccurate information. DC Shoes was not founded by Colin McKay and Danny Way. Another article that was not submitted be me said "Rob Dyrdek was the first member of DC's team", this too is a dis-service to Wikipedea because it is dead wrong. If you are telling me that Knowledge (XXG) is all about mis-informing people then I stand corrected. The information I am posting is 100% accurate and I think there is a fine line between stating what is obviously accurate information about a company and what is information that helps to promote a company. Please provide a break down of what is that you find promotional in the article I submitted and I will have it re-edited. I am not doing anything that I am aware of as being wrong, unless you think posting accurate information that is approved by the company it is written about, obviosly wrong. I'm accusing you of doing something that is obviously wrong, you are re-instating inaccurate information without researching the facts. My advice to you is to check with me or our lawyer prior to re-instating infromation that I am telling you is wrong and inaccurate.
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You provide an "edit this page" button, but when used you call it vandalism. It's like the City of New York leaving cans of spray paint at the entrance to the subway system and every kid that picks up a can and starts tagging gets accused of vandalism. Are you saying I'm the only visitor on your site that made that mistake? I already know the answer to this question, it happens all the time. That's the reason the information about DC Shoes was wrong in the first place. I talked to 3 different people that I work with that told me they read three different things about DC Shoes and all of it was incorrect and they knew it. At this point I understand your system, I'm just trying to make you aware that it's a very misleading system that can be corrected with a few minor updates. If the information on your site can be modified through discussion, I hope that the interface on your site also could be changed through discussion.
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have failed. That being said, you did continue to revert edits, many times, after being asked to read the guidelines, and then ignoring them. You should read all of the guidelines posted above, that is the only way to gain a clear understanding of what wikipedia is about. You, as yourself, cannot at all be a source, for several reasons. Reading the wiki guidelines will make it clear why. As I said earlier, anytime you have a concern, posting it on the talk page will be of the most benefit, as then the community can discuss it and can communicate to you how the article can best be edited. Finally, no one "allowed" anything to be posted. Just as you can, anyone can post anything they want. It is up to the community, including you, to regulate it. That is what this place is all about.
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people and organizations that are written about. 18 hours? What if nobody from DC Shoes ever went to
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anybody else to post information about DC Shoes and for some reason you guys can't seem to grasp that concept. When I was a kid, and I looked up stuff in the encyclopedia the information that I found was correct. Every time I visited your site that claims to be a "💕" I found information that I knew was wrong and you allowed it to be displayed for the world to see. How is it that you don't find any fault in this? I'm dying to know!
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maintaining DC Shoes' image on the internet. Along with discussing my rights to maintain this username I would like for you to provide informatrion on how I can become the administrator of DC Shoes' Knowledge (XXG) presence. Unfortunately all of the posts that I have read prior to my post have been some what incorrect and misleading. Thank you for your patience.
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Sorry to say that, but you are not a reliable source in this case. I trust that you know the organizational structure, business model etc. of DC Shoes better than anyone else here. Other than that though I don't trust that you can edit this specific article constructively. Your edits included lots of
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Why in the world didn't somebody just say all that in the beginning. You can't imagine how many other things I should have been getting done today other than trying to appease
Wikipedea's guidelines. You guys really need to work on simply explaining that on your homepage. So it's the first thing new
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I'm proposing that nobody should be allowed to edit a page, everybody should be required to discuss/talk and have it approved prior to it going live as an encyclopaedic article. Until then I'm proposing that you remove the tag "The 💕" until all the information on your site has been verified by the
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It shouldn't be called "The 💕", it's misleading. It should be called "an information source supplied by a community", or something like that. The other thing that is really misleading, why do you even have an "edit this page" button, if the proper way to make edits is to use the "discussion" page.
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Hello. I'm sorry but I have reverted your edits to DC Shoes. If you would like to work on the article, thats great. You should try incorporating new things into the existing article, rather than deleting content and then replacing it with your own. As mentioned above, your user name makes any edits
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Hello. I tend to agree with you on some points. We were not at all clear on some of the reasons we were complaining about. Things around here can be very confusing to newcomers, and we did a poor job explaining our intentions. We have a policy here about being friendly to new editors, which we may
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The last article I submitted was an edited version, with any information I felt you may find promotional removed. I'd like to apologize for inaccurately describing my intensions, DC Shoes' presence on
Knowledge (XXG) and the interests of Knowledge (XXG) are one in the same as far as I'm concerned.
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I wasn't writing about myself, I was writing true facts about a company and more importantly I was trying to replace inaccurate facts about that company that you allowed to be posted in the first place. There was nothing massive about this undertaking, I was obviously a more reliable source than
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In any case, that's not the real problem, the problem ist your conflict of interest as noted above, and that doesn't change one bit if you choose a different user name: You have it cause you work for the company the article is about. In principle, as iterated above, you are allowed to edit the
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Hi, please let me know if this is not the proper way to respond to you, I've read the talk page guidelines but found it some what confusing. This message is in response to your doubts about my username being approprate. I am the head of DC Shoes' web department and my responsabilities include
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It still read as an advertising. I admit I only skimmed over the first two paragraphs, but that was enough: "DC quickly grew to a leader in performance skateboarding shoes" is at the very least unsourced (if you can give an independant websource supporting that then it can stay, if worded
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It's not that no one is allowed to use the edit button on this article and should use the discussion page instead, only you aren't, and you brought this onto yourself. And had you read any of the guideline pages I keep giving you, you'd know that I was pretty liberal at the
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Yes it happens all the time that pages are vandalized. Most of the time those changes are reverted within minutes. Some of them take longer till someone notices it. The incorrect information on the DC Shoes page was up for 18 hours, for example. I suggest that you
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I still have know idea what you are talking about, please tell me how to get to the "articles talk page" I went to the article and I do not see an "article talk page". I thought the only way to contribute to an article was to hit the "edit page" button.
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I had told you to go ahead with careful edits and fix the bits of incorrect information, but instead you just kept replacing the whole page again. You still haven't said what specifically is wrong on that page, besides the names of the
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You're going to get banned. If you want the page changed, you need to engage in discussion on the articles talk page. You cannot continue to change the article as you please. People here are more than willing to listen and to help.
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for the following reason: it appears to be the name of a company and your user account appears to be dedicated to editing the article of that company. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here?
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After reading your above statements, I might have to withdraw some of mine. It's probably not great if you edit the article, it's probably a pretty bad idea due to the clear conflict of interest. Sorry.
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with your edits, e.g. just change the names of the founders to the correct ones, go ahead. But please don't replace the article in total again without sticking to the guidelines I just referred to.
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differntly), and "agreed upon a mission: to make a significant change in skateboard shoe style and elevate skateboarding performance to the highest level" is just plain promo talk.
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So 3 different people have found 3 different things that are incorrect, yet none of them felt the need to change them, and you still haven't named them. Why?
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I fixed the names of the founders of DC Shoes I think, some guy vandalised those earlier today.
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