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for "promotional rubbish detected". Just to add some background, this is an oscar-winning software from the 1990s that was discontinued 12 years ago, so all the pictures are actually historical documents as opposed to promotional crap or spam. It's history on the level of the Mona Lisa, for sure,
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no. And even if those reports were "current" you haven't provided any sources for the rest of the unsourced text. The threshold for inclusion is verifiability not truth, and 4 year old bug reports that haven't been updated to reflect any current versions of the software don't support
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itself as the platform (maybe limiting it to desktop/server editions?). But then again, wouldn't Linux fit that description as well? Or certain distributions (like: Debian)? MS-DOS was considered a platform in its time: is it still one, or is "platform-ness" somehow time-dependant?
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I guess the only big difference is in the common denominator on these 'platforms': Windows has win32 (which is graphical), while Linux has POSIX (which is non-graphical). Calling that a "big win for Windows" in anything other than a sarcastic way, is silly to say the least.
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I've agreed with the other recommendation given for making it a task force. Hopefully this will turn out well .. I'm more than sure this will help centralize things between the two projects and make the overall system a lot easier for all of us. Kind Regards,
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