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Gravity bands. Much of the point of bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace was to leave the hardcore punk cliché behind, and there was very little impetus for anyone to tag the label "-core" onto them.
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Actually, no I don't. It was basically known back in 2003 (at least in Japanese circles) that Saga was off the project, but it was just a rumor at the time. When Saga posted about it on her website, it was basically to confirm those rumors in the hopes that people would finally stop pestering her
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Hey! I think I understand your point now(thought I'd post it here as to not clutter up the punk talk page with off-topic shit). And I guess I am prepared to live the part, if only till I grow up and cut my hair. Feel free to delete this when you've read it, sorry for the inconvenience
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