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thoroughfully, as there are no or almost none online sources to do it properly. The same happens with other important
Italian families from the North that, with just a quick search, you'll find out no information on the internet, except in books, which alone is too preposterous to disqualify their existence and importance. When surfing on certain of the names you listed above, I also found lots of contradictory data, which will have to be checked. I am thinking that if no accurate information in English is found on the subjects, we can eliminate many of the names and reduce the article to something simpler. Indeed there was a Duke by that long name, living in Turin. His mausoleum at the cemetery there is huge (that was what caught my interest in exploring this family), as about 10 feet is the tomb of the Valperga's. The problem is most of the sources are in Italian, as for many other families that could too be labelled as "non existant", and I can give you links to most, if you would like to. The strangest thing is that about Alice Theresa there's no clear online information, despite the fact she's buried in Turin next to her husband, and with that name... I got the dates from the mausoleum too. The Poeti family did really exist, with origins not in Piedmont but in Emilia-Romagna (Bologna), and there are a few links that can prove you this (there's even a famous garden, you can Google it up, that still exists in Bologna, "Giardino de la Famiglia Poeti", next to the palace they inhabited there. Most of the references are in books and/or Italian, and I understand all concerns (as I am too a bit shocked by the outcome). There's a large description on the family, for instance, in an encyclopedia published in Italy by commission of the King of Italy himself, updated every 10 years (there are many editions starting the 1830s, the last by the early 1910s), under the title "Dizionario geografico, storico, statistico, commerciale degli Stati di s. M. Il re" (there's something useful said about it on Knowledge Italy
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and was having some trouble building ahnentafels for them due to a lack of data. Since you have done a beautiful job with completing many other ahnentafels, I was woundering if you could assist me in these endeavors. Please let me know if you have any ancestral information for the above individuals.
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As there's a percentage of information that is dubious to you, I'm wondering how do you think I should proceed, having in mind everything I said above. I think that in the end, some information can be deleted, but I'll appreciate also your patience (as other member's), as I will keep in touch with
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I'm sorry for that long one! You can expect no more alike! :) Will work on a better article removing the dubious names, and at least when it comes to Alice
Habsburg, will remove the titles as you suggest. As I tell you, will try to investigate on my spare time better, even to contact some of her
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You're welcome. But I'll appreciate if you could take a look at the other articles that, if I'm not wrong, you've also created and look suspicious to me. Such as G.P., V.M., P.M (full of nonexistent people; i.e. Maximilian von Baden-Baden, Countess Maria G. M.D. (1847-1938), Karolina Amalie von
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Of course I'll take a closer look at them. The
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Wow, that was a long message! Well I think you should begin by removing all names I mentioned above (longer it stays there, the more people will see this, and the more
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living descendants, and whatever extraordinary I find will tell you. I am going to keep things simple with the best objectivity. Thanks for your help. Will write a note here as soon as the article is reworked. How can the tags on this "
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can be removed or fixed? I can merge that article with the other one. It is the same family anyway. Will keep in touch :)
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