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history, success, and influence on the activity are present. This appears to be the result of some very questionable deletion decisions for the pages of several very notable corps (Crossmen, who have had a HUGE influence on the activity, especially in percussion, are probably the most notable, but there are other surprising omissions), with the decisions being made by people who have little to no expert knowledge of marching music and who offer many reasons that simply don't make sense to someone familiar with the subject. For instance, in many cases they have marked corps as not relevant because they have never won the DCI championship or placed in the top 3. Following this logic would also mean deleting the page of, say, the Los
Angeles Clippers of the NBA (they've never even won their conference); it also ignores that 1) at the highest level ("world class" in today's DCI terminology") these are all really all-star units that are extremely selective and draw membership for all over the United States and Canada and sometimes overseas, 2) that DCI shows are more about performing arts than competition (people are not attending DCI Finals and only watching the top 3 shows, each about 10 minutes long, and ignoring the other performances), 3) that getting into Finals actually has been very significant in terms of relevance and influence, because for a very long time this meant a corps appearing in the national telecast (very important pre-YouTube), and 4) well, I could go on, but this isn't the place for it.
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i strongly feel as that organization as well as others are notable enough to have their own page. each nfl team has their own page, and i feel as drum corps are large enough for the same.
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its not copied from anywhere,also I am currently blocked indefinitely due to misunderstanding can you help me out with the ongoing copyright investigation(check user) to speed things up.
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