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694:, oh! Wiki is very rich as far as legal articles or judgments are concerned. State of the art. They can be cited in our SCRA. I don't know in science journals here. But the bio's of notable persons like Puno, can be cited in speeches. Schools are schools. They want their books to be bought. Ateneo, UP, UST, their Press is not competitive, since they force their students to buy books from their press. With Wiki online and internet onlines now, students rarely buy books for research, or thesis. This is my fight against WikiPinas babies. They are so unreliable, and the ads of Vibal's books to be bought... Who would cite WPinas? But Knowledge (XXG), I bet, the Justices are the ones first using these in decisions. How much do justices now DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND for ALR, AM JUR, and CJS? (Each volume is $ 100+, and our SCRA is P 1,000+ Just open Wiki decisions of USA and bingo. There is no need to type but just copy paste from Wiki PDF in the links. I use Wiki legal articles for my memo, and I open the original PDF USA decision based on Wiki external links. In our court decisions, just open 454:"Section 16. The President shall nominate and, with the consent of the Commission on Appointments, appoint the heads of the executive departments, ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, or officers of the armed forces from the rank of colonel or naval captain, and other officers whose appointments are vested in him in this Constitution. He shall also appoint all other officers of the Government whose appointments are not otherwise provided for by law, and those whom he may be authorized by law to appoint. The Congress may, by law, vest the appointment of other officers lower in rank in the President alone, in the courts, or in the heads of departments, agencies, commissions, or boards. The President shall have the power to make appointments during the recess of the Congress, whether voluntary or compulsory, but such appointments shall be effective only until disapproved by the Commission on Appointments or until the next adjournment of Congress. 411:(Here is the reply) Thanks. Precisely, as you see, first I invited you, then, to be fair to all, you remained neutral and helped edit the article. Then, from that time, I never edited the article. Cheers. By the way, please notify Filipino editors, about the GMA-7 top news I viewed last night, where UST Dean prohibited UST students from using Knowledge (XXG) and other online Internet sources, due to easy to edit, thing. He on behalf of UST issued the statement that only hard copies of books with authors would be accepted as thesis. I am looking for this, but you can check. Wiki is reliable unlike Wikipinas since, there are scanners here, and this is the best example, I myself could not edit my own article 1765:) is to politely order me not to add to Secret Philippine articles (so he said only 3 edits per day) which would make the same neutral, that is, I must not add encyclopedic edits which would balance the article, for example, health, etc. Queen Beatrix did the same, on deleting the immorality add by a Wiki editor. But as trial lawyer and 6 months judge, I had been used to trials, debates, garbages, and even guns and fist fights in court. Now, some editors here, would now seem to discover, that Max should be IGNORED. But as neutral Wiki editor, I am ready to discuss and submit my evidence. Thanks, for understanding deeply this very hard case with 2320:. I had forewarned many Indians about the Cessna planes crashing - worst not the crash but mystic collisions before my every head and eyes circa the time Max had been on this Wiki thing. I resist and stay away from all of these controversial Wiki posting of religious discussions lest I be misinterpreted by skeptics and atheists, that I deeply respect, since I am a closed scientist and debunked psychic phenomena, even if I am a closed Catholic. Yes, I move things. Yes, I am gifted. But I keep this to myself. But Max is confusing editors here. Max should go DIRECT TO THE POINT." Regards-- 1665:) ...BTW, "Though occasionally news is useful, too often..." seems to sum up the whole sorry mess, as Maxsch actually agrees with Floro (but only when the user wants to). "I think it would make sense to have a period of time where Floro would only make 3 edits per day" is shocking, as it suggests control over another person. Not actually blocking, you understand, but control. "a menace to wikipedia" is too much; Floro made an edit about eggplant, for goodness sake. Since when have eggplants been the subject of so much controversy?" May I add this succint 378:. I had spent 8 hours daily and worked hard to contribute well to Wiki. Now, under adoption by Terrier, I had never been rebuked much less often corrected by my parent. I read your "perhaps" to stop me and Max editing? This is a sad day for Knowledge (XXG). Since I and Max had been discussing our conflicts in the Terrier page, and there is no conclusion yet. I respectfully submit that out of respect to my parent, let us go through the process of giving Digent Terrier a chance to pen his conclusion. As he promised soon.-- 31: 468:
incumbent UN Permanent representative, unless the President will issue an appointment before July 23, when Congress resumes session. If she does appoint Davide after July 23, then, Davide, cannot hold office nor get salary, until he is confirmed by Senate COA, and he cannot because of J. Estrada. IN FINE, Davide is no longer incumbent UN representative. FOR this reason, I asked RFC and invited Efe, etc. to take a second look on the matter.--
2889:(Copied) Efe, it would be very rare to find an article without wikilinks aside from the autoformatting of full dates; don't worry, WP will never be boring! The rationale behind autoformatting (which looks like linking, but isn't) is to render in the WPian's preferred formatting). However, the disadvantages (see grey cap further down on this page) are many and the advantages frankly rather trivial. 1604: 220: 2205: 807: 1859:
unhelpful kind of editing, and it has continued because people choose to ignore the problems. It is obvious to anyone who looks closely at his edits that he doesn't understand wikipedia. For a while I tried to help him, but I grew frustrated when he refused to listen to me. But I am not just going to walk away and let him continue to screw up wikipedia.
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is no COI, since all the links pointed to establish the fact that Davide was cleared from 2 disbarment cases, and he assumed office, got the P 1.8 million salary per month, but ceased in office upon Congress' adjournment. Readers will be confused that Davide is still the UN Representative. There must be a new or fresh appointment from PGMA.--
2973: 952:(8-6) vote, this province is OUT OF THE MAP. So, I hope Max could find the reason why I edited Davide. There is really no COI, since it is legal but encyclopedic update, considering that it is of FIRST IMPRESSION in UN Rep. appointment, never happened before. Really notable if not landmark. Thanks. and With due respect. 765:, jurists, lawyers and law students worldwide are spared, from buying ALR, AmJur, CJS, etc. I would say, there is nothing for Knowledge (XXG) to improve in the realm of legal articles. (Most recent SCRA decision by top Philippine Justices, source Knowledge (XXG) as most valuable tool in drafting Philippine decisions. 1703:(Copied) No, it is not barnstar, it is an image, since I believe, that with only 5,000 edits, and not even knowing how to archive, not knowing how to use twinkle, I am yet a poor editor (good maybe in legal and foreign easy articles, but ignorant of IT), and not worthy to give barnstars, even if I believe in them. -- 3056:
Efeā€”Are you using the "importScript" string? It's best to do so; simply take a new line (perhaps leave a spare line above it), paste in, save, and REFRESH the page. If this doesn't work, let me know. On your link to NFC, I think anything, such as a reference, that increases or provides an opportunity
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accident, to demonstrate the Wiki policy of notability, neutrality, COI, etc. I, Max and Cma are not concerned about all these. But, if I talk here about Mrs. Arroyo, or FPJ, or Shiva, or etc., how can we know if there if COI. I suggest you help add and edit to Knowledge (XXG) rules like COI, etc. to
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Cheers? I'm not sure how number of edits relates to Conflict of Interest (you do know what COI stands for don't you?). A non-neutral edit in a subject the editor is personally involved in is COI. It is as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it is the first time or not. I was not asking that Floro be
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Nelly Furtado was not inspired by gwen stefnai to go urban. because one, nelly furtado did not say that in the source. nelly furtado said hip hop was "the first music that was mine," NO WHERE did she mention that gwen stefani inspired her to do urban music and two, gwen stefani isnt urban. Third the
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articles (healing oil, charcoal) since I could'nt find good/verifiable links, until admin. Rikto compassionately re-directed my works. Also, I had problems with News inputs and health sections I added. I admit my shortcommings, at that time, not because I do not know Wiki rules, but: at that time, I
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deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Knowledge (XXG)'s policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note
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As aptly and tersely explained above, the post of Davide is not controversial. It is a highly coveted post, issued only to retired Justices, Presidents, etc. Davide, ceased to be a UN Representative upon adjournment of our Congress, which will only resume on July 23. As gleaned from the above, there
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I still think there was COI. It seems to me that in general, editors should be extremely careful when adding their own names to wikipedia pages, as Florentino Floro did in that very edit. I would also point out that he renamed the section "controversy" from "UN representative". In doing doing so, he
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Since airplanes were invented, the air collissions historically accounted for Indian nations here in the Philippines, a world record of twin air disaster in just 2 years with the mysterious air collisions, involving natives of India. Hence I added these, and this was reverted or deleted. So, I must
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I just happened to accidentally browse on your contributions, and I was amazed how fast and diligent you can contribute. I myself, started today at around 11:45 am and now it's 9:10 pm, and I only did 21 edits. Just asking how do you do it so fast? I spent 1 full hour for just one edit on the Pope.
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Hi Efe, you said above that it would be better to wait for Diligent Terrier's conclusion. I want to clarify, it was Diligent Terrier himself who suggested that I post an RFC as way to resolve the dispute. I waited a long time for his conclusion and none ever came. For too long, Floro has kept up an
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Sorry. I stand corrected. But you should not revert it. I see parts of his edits containing his name, which, sorry Sir. Floro, a no-no in Wiki. However, there are parts that are substantial and could have been "constructive" in part of the article. Instead, you should have deleted parts of it which
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Oh, the barnstar is just an image. At this time, I state with certainty, that I am not yet worthy to give any editor with barnstar, since, I do not even know how to archive my own talk pages, and to use twinkle, how to revert, and to make a good or featured article. If ever I would succeed, I will
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Is it considered to be your own work if you crop an image from a non-free image? e.g. If you crop out an image of a singer from the cover of one of their albums. Could this be considered a form of copyright infringment (if you were to upload it to wikipedia claiming it as your own work), and if so
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used the last part of the cited fundamental law, to let Davide hold office and get P 1.8 million a month salary: by appointing him "ad interim", that is, when Congress is in recess or not in session. Davide's term therefore expired already since when Congress adjourned. So, now Davide is no longer
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Wiki is not a blog, but Max is seeking for election. I alerted some Filipino editors and admin on the problem caused by our one on one conflict. If all of you unlike me are IT or PC advance learners, you would easily think that our conflict is a real Wiki RFC or etc. But no. Max went to Mumbai to
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admitted:"I promise to be terse. It is not irrelevant to bring up evidence of a conflict of interest. You have a personal stake in "coconut healing oil" and thus what you choose to write about it should be critically viewed, especially if there are questions about the sources you use as evidence.
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user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 21:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)), the
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does not warrants Max's claim that there was a COI. A COI usually occurs when your edit was reverted then you add it again then the other reverted it again, usually because of non-neutral edits. BTW, you cannot petition for a user to be blocked because of, for instance, the alleged "COI". Cheers.
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Sir, please read between the lines. That's why I commented like that to avoid further "conflict". If you are having COI and still continuing editing the article, most likely, a conflict will never stop. PS. Sorry, I failed to comment on the page because I haven't read the diff's of Max's and your
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have no agenda here, except the hidden vindictive yet spiritual request to prevent me from editing secret unspecified articles in Knowledge (XXG) that Max and Cma desire. If this is what they want, both can specify these. Enumerate these, and if Wiki rules permit, I will not edit or add to these
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It was, due to so-called (borrowing legal parlance) lack of cause of action (because of failure to attach certified copies of the Orders appealed). While I am not as of this point of time, at liberty, to divulge the real reasons behind this conflict, debate and perturbation discussions with Max,
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page which states:As such, he is reported to have one of the biggest egos in history. Cma added and edited the template, stating it is n Knowledge (XXG) article instead of Wiki Page. So, I granted the request and found the links which established the fact that Cma is really the biggest egos in
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history that "just" a section of a (UST) school (of course UST College of Law would not) did issue a school circular and policy from using Knowledge (XXG) as source in subjects. I am new here in Wiki, and did not, yet, find any school here in Philippines and worldwide which did issue the same
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By the way: Secret ha! my former parent is presently applying for Admin and coaching, so, that is the reason he resigned. It is understandable, Ian wants to race with The Coffee and Lenticel. Maybe Ian must be more cute to be racing with Coffee and Lenticel. Vote for Ian to be Admin
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Fergie and nelly furtado have got nothing to do with gwens album. thats why im deleting it. and charmed36 has insulted me on occasions too btw. (but i dont care about that) and i am not attaking charmed36. Why do you just assume that he's not in the wrong? This is really not fair.
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for the reader to increase, understanding of the topic (NFCC#8) helps. It's a decision made on balance. The caption is often important in convincing the NFC police that the inclusion of the image has a specific goal in relation to 8. The important ones are 1, 3a and 8.
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The Special edition isn't a limited product, it is a deluxe edition of sort. It features a complete second and has completely different cover art to that of the original and thus I feel is appropriate to be used in the article as a visual reference of the product.
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Further, you also complain about criticism of your edits. Know that every editor has the right to criticize an editor; you cannot expect to ask for a user to be banned (or "BANNED" as you put it), and then not get any criticism on yourself. - Diligent Terrier (and
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Parenthetically, the predators of Knowledge (XXG), who denounced it as unreliable source in school research, might now think twice. There are very good USA legal - decisions articles (and your featured - good articles, I envy), which cannot just be brushed aside.
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policy. At any rate, statistics cannot be disregarded, that, (because of Knowledge (XXG)'s candid and straightforward notes/explanations of its reliability) 80% of Philippine and worldwide English/American schools, use Knowledge (XXG) English for research. --
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Hi! May I ask you where I can find that it is to prefer to list all categories in alphabetical order? I saw that you have sorted them alphabetically and I have been interested for a long time where it is written to do so. Thanks in advance and kind regards
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can you drop me a mouthful of opinion on this, I was just baptized here, racing to be the very first but I had not yet created an article, still disecting it, just a thrill for I might be able to learn more how to use IT to make my skills better here in
1315:(created on 18:38, 18 May 2008 by Diligent Terrier), works like this, as far as the procedure of replying and argument/discussions, then, I cordially invited some Filipino and foreign editors or users, here, to share their views on the matter, as 483:
insinuates that Davide's post is controversial. Yet the only evidence for it being controversial is a lawsuit that Floro filed and that the courts found to be without merit. Can you explain to me how Floro does not have a conflict of interest?
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I see it very boring to read an article with no blue links. On the other hand, I don't know what is the rationale behind linking those dates where in fact, it gives nothing but just a mere date and notable events that took place on that date.
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It will be, in time, with your enlightenment. Please share some thoughts there, on how both of us can contribute more quality edits to Knowledge (XXG): of course, I do not have any illusion of emulating you, who had created featured and good
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Regarding the characters, I did not remove any. Only the spaces. I'll continue my "FA maintenance" tomorrow if I can still spot some minor fixes. Good night (in Philippine time). BTW, congrats and good luck for tom's Main Page!
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articles. Why confuse Wiki foreign and Filipino administrators and editors including you, on our conflict? As the long and tedious discussion rages, one could not really discover what both want. So, tersely, I made this
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My question, please: Are not, 2 endorsers required, lest fatal deletion results? Since, after 48 hours, now, more than, per math computation, if I am not mistaken, no 2nd required certification was posted. So, must the
2623:, then Wiki has a scanner called tools above history tab. Use it and you will find that Cma had deleted the blog used to hide the identity. But this hiding was caught in the tools. What then is the motive and agenda, 2082:
By the way this is very useful to discover the IP Address, just discovered this today from a Malolos technician, I wanna share it with you, so that when an IP address posts in Wiki we can scan it. So, I quote this:
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Oh, sorry I did not catch your point. Actually, I dont know where to find them, but I am sure there is no guideline for it. However, I saw lots of bots or users doing it and for me, its a way of reducing mess.
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and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
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Max is not in any manner against my editing news, not notable edits, and tons of alleged Wiki edit violations. These are just covers-accusations, to hide Max's real agenda: Max is used by a principal/s (like
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and Wiki scanner traced the edit to PC of the Queen. (I did it to scan Max's location and IP, Mumbai, India, around there. In BBC, Yahoo, etc. Beatrix was headlined. Here, trace the history and creator of
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contribution. I never say no to any editor here, for I find it honor to be asked to create a very good article. It is just that I was in my darkest time in Wiki with the painful or unsuccessful creation of
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and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!
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User: Jamalar continues to remove sections and he insulted me. When I said I would report him, he made rude remarks. Can you speak to an administrator? He should be blocked for a week as a lesson.
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Thanks again for your quick reply. I am sorry that there is no guideline... I prefer to group them logically, because for editors it is much easier to have e.g. all Olympic cats in a row. Kind regards
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What are the consequences if you were to upload one to wiki. By the way I'm asking on behalf of a friend whose considering joining wiki, but I didn't know much about this so I thought I'd ask youĀ :)
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fergie comparrisons are also just an opinion. by saying that the chola girls fergie has are like Gwens harajuku girls. and fergie has denied being influenced by gwen stfeani in the sources.
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Regarding this issue, teachers in UST and UP really do not allow their students to use/cite WikiPedia as their source. While we (you and me) believe that Wiki is reliable, WikiPedia has its
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I failed to monitor the discussion but so far, there was no falsification of signature. The signature is in the IP form since the history/diff shows its an IP who contributed/edited it. --
1696:(Copied) I myself, had a difficulty even if I twice read the rules on RFC. Wiki rules and policies are edited by Wiki editors. More often than not, it is very very difficult even for us 2907:(Copied) Ah, ok, thanks for the explanation. BTW, I tried to install the script by adding it below my existing monobook.js but it doesn't work. Do i have to create another link/page? -- 2842:
I actually like linking complete dates. =) But for other editor's preference, I'll try to install so that it will not be a burden for me delinking dates. Thanks for dropping by Tony. --
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hosted, yes, it remains unresolved. Diligent said he would write some conclusion, but he has not done so and is now semi-retired. He suggested the RFC as a means of finding resolution.
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Sir, I was really shocked when Max created that RFC page. I asked him, however, he only said that Diligent failed to conclude the RFC you filed. BTW, whats the barnstar for? --
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SONA and opening of Congress comes. If Davide is appointed before, he assumes office, but if after, then he does not, as 2 times before. The big thing is: as of now, CURRENT,
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We cannot really force them from the fact that we have a disclaimer. Its a challenge to us to further improve the project. Whatever they opine/claim about the site, just say,
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Ah, I see. But I don't how also. Actually, its easy, its just that Im not familiar with the parameters and will consume me hours to understand the syntax of the template. --
1158:, but am stupid, not knowing how to create that. Please note that there is no Infobox like what Wiki editors created nicely. Our Category:Philippine law has none. Cheers. -- 957:
Knowledge (XXG) Featured Article contributors | Knowledge (XXG) Good Article contributors | you're great, I do not have this. And I copied your:Wikipedians with pictures--
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I deleted that section because the article is about love.angel.music.baby not nelly furtado. The album did not make an impact on albums of today. That is an OPINION.
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Can you explain (on your return) why you do prefer linking them? Please read the capped "Disadvantages" on my talk page. I'm interested to know your rationale.
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Sir, your almost welcome. I know your user page will be categorized the way mine is. Focus on one article before going to another and, ping!, you'll have one. --
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The page, after having been deleted by the administrator was restored, with only ONE certification and endorsement:"Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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to be created here. It can be used for all future articles. In fact, we do not have a Category for this, except Category:Philippine law. We only have one:
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I am not sure if you can comprehend and read between the lines. Before these 3 deaths happened, the 3 Indians used regularly my own rented PC Internet in
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and venerable tellers to decipher my very own dire actuations on many events worldwide which concerned many. Mystic India is not that simple, nor Max.
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Those are WikiHousekeeping like fixing this and fixing that. Me as well slows down when focusing on one article, like editing and adding contents. =) --
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Even Philippine high school and college students teach this matter. First, Davide was twice appointed during session and was twice by-passed, since
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are not Phil decisions but legal articles. Mine is the very first here in Phil. on this and there is no category on Phil Decisions unlike in USA.
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after a while, and after some or most of these invited users had filed comment? Or, should I reply now or next day? Please enlighten me. Thanks.--
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Although he is semi-retired, it would be better if the two of you waited for his conclusion. Anyway, he'll not leave with unfinished business. --
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So, I politely replied to Max, that if only I could research at Ateneo and UP libraries at OPAC, I would. But I feared that if I would create
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knew me as their lawyer, personally, and this is documented. Let me quote my ALERT message to my adopting parent on this Max Mumbai thing.
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The image was only a "Special edition cover". Usually, allowable alternate images are those of deluxe editions. The image fails to comply
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I left templates on the user's talk page. If he'll continue doing unconstructive edits and attacking you, I'll report him outrightly. --
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to comprehend the rules. Another point, on the template, I found it hard to learn the template of USA decisions. It is not copy paste.
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Thanks. Let us keep our fingers crossed. You can keep an eye on this historic predatory apology, and contribute there too:
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Let me add, that because of Knowledge (XXG) very scholarly written articles on USA recent and old USA decision since C.J.
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Greetings. Let me quote my message to my adopting parent on Max. "Dear Parent, I now have hard evidence that Maxs and
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I, Max and Cma are not concerned about Plaridel, India, Davide. User Efe is not concerned if I add Pangasinan to
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Mirror, now it is a dead link. So Max used that IP, to reveal to me the immense spiritual battle that is hidden.
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Welcome. I actually moved closer the parameters of the refs to avoid long browsing. You formatted it this way:
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and Leyte San Juanico Bridge (on April 1998 Good Friday, I was warned at 12 noon, while I was predicting
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link puts Cma there, aside from being Manager of IBM, then, may I ask if I can create an article
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blocked, I was explaining why I reverted his edit. Therefore it does belong in the edit summary.
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Hi! Thanks for your answer. I saw that you have sorted the cats alphabetically for this article:
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Maybe it would be better to comment after them. I thought your dispute was already resolved. --
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that will drive others to not rely at all. I actually raised this issue last year in TAMBAY. --
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If you are familiar with it, please expand the article, or discuss its significance on the
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Its a waste of space, for me. So what I did, for other's convenience in editing, is this:
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Dominique Cimafranca: Nothing has changed in Philippines politics (Dominique Cimafranca
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You want to add a proper infobox for that article? The former is using the template
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I usually do housekeeping when Im tired on adding content and editing articles. --
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There might be no end, to our Max conflict, since the IP Address is from India,
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Yep, it's now installable using much simpler instructions, on my talk page.
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Thanks, and I replied there, in my page with added message here, to clarify.
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nationals. Any lawyer will tell you, that my evidence is not religious but
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start giving barns. I just give you my peace image animation, my favorite.
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of his edit, a message on the talk page would have been better. Cheers. --
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amend and add better policies, if it can be edited. Can I say cheers? --
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history. So, I opted to submit on Cma discussion page my propose edit:
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of a person, whether editor or blogger? Motive is material when only
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So you mean the basis/saving factor of a fair use is the caption? --
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Hi, good morning. Cropped copyrighted images remain copyrighted. --
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You only visited once in the article and reverted once and it does
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Was the dispute between the two of you remain unresolved? --
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explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for
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I was frontpaged there on April 7, 2006, in 933:In fairness, to Max, I found it apt to update 848:the page that has been nominated for deletion 8: 2261:There is no election yet, is there a campain 1235:I have created an RFC for Florentino floro. 866:to request that a copy be emailed to you. 682:, of course, they are correct. But in legal 2738:article. I'm curious as to what you did in 246:Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{ 2968:, but before you read it. This one first. 1183:. Just copy the code their and fill in. -- 2571:Userbox: this user read between the lines 943:Davide ceases to be a UN Representative 463:invoked Sec. 20, Senate Rules. Second, 2484:This article lacks information on the 1140:Hey please create PI Decisions Infobox 1077:what are the consequences? Thank you. 736:Well, this is the first in Philippine 610:you believe a COI. Cheers again. =) -- 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 7: 2986:) has smiled at you! 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