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1784:- blanking. Also you recent edits "Now you are cherry-picking wikipedia's policies";"You don't base this on any of the secondary sources" ; your unreferenced claims and speculations, as typical ;Your poor grasp of the English language is obvious ; you lie by ommission; That's just your POV - I assume as personal attack. However you add to article like "popuIts growth and strength reflected its popularity among the western Ukrainian people", On July 26, 1944, near the village of Nedilna, the UPA defeated another German division, and captured its entire supply column, including many officers and soldiers \In November 1943, UPA battle groups Black Forest and Makivka defeated 12 German battalions supported by the German air-force, in a battle over control of UPA-held territory.UPA's membership is estimated to have consisted of 60% peasants or low to moderate means, 20-25% workers, and 15% from the intelligensia (students, urban professionals). The latter group provided a large portion of UPA's military trainers and officer corps. Sixty percent of UPA's membership was from Galicia and 30% from Volhynia and Podolia etc decrebed as 1231:. As I mentioned before UPA was also often armed by Germans. On March 5 1944 UPA proposed their "unconditional and full loyalty" to the Germans. On March 12 1944 UPA again agreed to provide intelligence for Germans, who in turn supported creating UPA structures in Nazi-controlled territories. Also in March Germans in Galicia cooperated with UPA units against Polish population (and against Soviet partisans). On April 2 1944 the head of Volhynian UPA again promised Germans delivering intelligence materials in return for German arms. The results of cooperation with UPA were highly rated in German reports. In September Germans asked UPA to secure certain mountain passes in Carpathians against the Soviets, which UPA did. In return Germans agreed to release captured UPA and OUN members. In Bukovina UPA coordinated their actions with German 7th Division. In December 1944 UPA recaptured several groups of German POV from Soviets, and transferred them to German Army. So certainly there was cooperation, and military or intelligence cooperation with the occupiers is collaboration. -- 3063:: "Secondly, Ukrainian genocide was characterized as a rule by tortures of the utmost barbarity. These reached back to the Cossack traditions of the XVII th and XVIII th centuries (the Khmelnitsky Uprising 12 and the uprising of 1768 called "kolistchyzna"13), with the methods in use at that time - hacking Poles and Jews with axes, throwing wounded victims into wells, sawing people alive, horse-dragging, eye-gouging, pulling out of tongues, and other atrocities 14. Such acts of barbarity were not as a rule employed by the Germans or even the Soviets. Of course there were beatings and frequently bestial cruelty during interrogations 15 or in concentration camps (where this was accompanied' by starvation and backbreaking work, sometimes criminal medical experimenlation in German camps, etc.), but it was not usual for the murder thal took place there to be combined with the cutling off or pulling out of parts of the body, sawing, ripping open of the stomach, disembowelment, and so on 16." 783:. He was demanding details and insisting on adding inaccurate information about a website that does a tremendous disservice to anyone who visits it in hopes of learning how to respond on the Rorscach. I think listing the coding sequence without additional details (something I did hesitate to to do) does far less damage. Simply exposing the images, as the website and so many Knowledge (XXG) editors are hell-bent on doing, surely does far more damage to the naive reader. And Exner's books are available for anyone to read. But your question is a good one that I have kept and will keep in mind as I edit. I'm trying to balance some very conflicting ethical issues that have been created by a controversial test that falls prey to inflammatory Knowledge (XXG) editors. Let's face it: any potential test-taker who looks for details on Knowledge (XXG) and its links is probably in jeopardy of an invalid administration. Thanks for the thoughtful question. I am always open to reasonable discussion. 4338:
wake an argument? Why to wake an argument if not to block someone who is not in your opinions? User pages are created for other things. I was mature enough not to continue the discussion, and i havent returned their seens. You seem to insist on it for a reason.I already understood that it's your nationalists way to get people who write what you dont like from Ukrainian articles. I'm not MVEi, but i'm sick of Ukrainian nationalists trying to block me by lying i am, your the second already. I leave all Ukraine articles, they dont interest me that much to get people lying on my and puting black marks on my good name.
4440:). The source is a reliable one (even though, I've I've shown all over the talk page, misused by a particular editor) but is in pdf format, making it difficult to cut and paste the test onto wikipedia. I feel that a specific page number is sufficient. Indeed, as long as a foreign-language source is available on-line then for verifiability purposes the link and page number should be appropriate. What do you think? Because unfortunately on some topics some of the best sources aren't in English, and including the entire text of info used in footnotes would seem cumbersome. What is your opinion? 3754:] that argues that his loyalty wavered between Poland and Russia (Gogol spent much time abroad in the company of Polish exiles); only his love for Ukraine was consistent throughout his works. According to her, he actually had a lot of difficulty loving the real Russia - his passages so beloved by Russian patriots tended to be either abstract or he transposed Ukrainian experiences and referred to them as "Russian" and in so doing expressed his love for Ukraine in the guise of Russia. Not a mainsttream view of course, but well presented with numerous references. A reviewer from 2927:
ceases increasing among women and year by year strongly moves back at the men. The great fluctuations of the years 1980 and 1990 are only additional misadventures around this new unfavourable general tendency, since they are entirely due initially to the risks of the campaign against alcohol of 1985 then with those of the brutal passage to the market economy. The new retreat of life expectancy noted during all last years of the century indicates on the contrary, that in spite jamming caused by these fluctuations, the tendency remains, long-term, with deterioration.
4587:. I do appreciate it, as unfortunately, stance of some users is to clear real perpetrators of these atrocities of any responsibility. My stance on this is firm - no matter what wrongdoings the Polish government did to the Ukrainians in the interbellum period (and they all are nothing compared to the Holodomor), there is no justification to the mass slaughter of babies, children, women and the elderly. It is not about the Ukrainians, I would keep the same opinion if the perpetrators had been the Eskimos or the Kazakhs. Thank you again. 1873:
is fair per WP:NPOV. However, you then go on to equate intelligent design proponents with global warming opponents. This doesn't seem accurate, and seems like you're trying to single out a specific group by tacking on additional things you think they're wrong about (namely the conservative Christian scientific community). I'm sure there are plenty of atheistic, pro-evolution scientists out there who do not believe that global warming is man-made, and that they are not even the minority.
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catastrophes but they do not distinguish the surmortality from crisis of the deficit of the births nor of the migratory losses. The gathering of all the existing statistical sources (marital status, censuses, enumerations of the people transported and off-set, statistics of Gulag...) provided the base necessary to a patient work of reconstitution, which makes it possible, for the first time, to precisely estimate the hecatomb in terms of a number of deaths and life expectancy.
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so many reverts so fast is never a way to go. The Knowledge (XXG) won't collapse if the article will stay in the "wrong" version for a day or two while the discussion is still going. Oh, and as for the dispute itself, I happen to disagree with the cat. I left a note to that degree at the article's talk. I am glad to see that this revert war passed unnoticed by the block-happy admins and you were not blocked. However, please act as if you learned the lesson. Cheers, --
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AK, which was the Polish Army legally recognized by the western allies. Of course UPA perspective was clearly different. As for the Finns, they were not collaborating in the sense that Germans were not considered occupants but ally of Finland up to certain moment. The Finns did not even let the Germans cross Finland to attack Soviet Union. Anyway, I don't want to trash your talk page with overly-long discussions. Thanks. --
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and not MVEi. I dont know who MVEi was but it seems he was egomaniac and every change to what he did he took as personal. In the Russians history page he looked like a PRO-edit war lover. Thats everything but me. I belive in discussion. I dont agree with Rkwalton about something in the Thumb-Wrestling category. Do you see me edit war him? No! I have a discussion on his talk page. In the article of the
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and other equipment and supplies from the Nazis throughout 1944. In return UPA agreed to secure certain mountain passes in Carpathians for the Germans. So both parties provided services to each other. And through conducting military operations for Germans, UPA actively collaborated with the occupier forces. The collaboration ended only in the beginning of 1945. What do you think ? --
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MVEi who as i understood from his block history was a big edit war lover, i perfer compromises and exaples were given to Faustian. The same case for example is when you take to Communists. It's logical they would both use the same rethorics like Class struggle, State as an exploiting unit, and many more. Woulf you block all communists on Knowledge (XXG) for that? Is it a witch hunt?
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Let's make sure we address them properly. It is difficult to request from him to present his own version of the contentious parts of the article to work from there towards the compromise since his English just won't allow him to do this. But we should continue to work this out since the neither the article now no his version in the raw would satisfy NPOV. Just my two cents. --
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particular world views which may be reflected in their work, but we can't disregard their peer reviewed work simply because some editors feel that they are "Kremlinologists" or whatever. Allegations like this should have no bearing on our work, and they shouldn't even be reported unless reputable and notable sources can be found claiming such things.
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and prepared. However, I seriously doubt if incidents described by Subtelny marked the beginning of the massacres. I am putting aside Polish historians in this matter, and out of those few who wrote about very massacres, all so far agree that they were started by the Ukrainians. Thanks for you appreciation, it is very nice to exchange opinion with you
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thing, right?). Unless someone else has an explanation for this discrepancy, the next best option is to ask another demographer/expert if not the authors themselves. In conclusion, I concur with Faustian that at this point we cite all three (four if counting the French book), and differentiate between them by profession, i.e. who concluded what.--
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rallied for war were disarmed and died in forced labour deep in Anatolia. That would rule out the Rusnaks being descendants of the Danubian Sich, so who are they descendants of? You are right there is hardly any sources that can be found about them, moreover the link gives to the Rusyn language. That's why I marked it as dubious. --
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is extensive, her argument fresh, stimulating, and controversial. The implications for our understanding of Gogol are enormous." The author does a good job also of showing how mainstream Russian scholarship has marginalized or overlooked those of Gogol's writings that are contradict his image of the loyal Ukrainian-Russian.
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However, we can, and should ensure that the sources we use are verifiable and either (preferably) have appeared in peer-reviewed journals or publications giving clear indication of a similar level of scholarship, or that they can be shown to be representative of a particular line of thought held by a
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Be shure! I'm not M.V.E.i. I dont even know him! I know he created many images with license problems in the Russian Diasspora category which i fixed after i learned how from another User, who was in an argument with MVEi on the Russians talk page about how the collage should look, and i supported him
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stated that this book was "a major contribution to the history of Russian literary culture. Bojanowska illuminates Gogol's works in a new and interesting way, and makes a convincing case for his identification with Ukraine and his frequent inclination to compare Russia unfavorably to it. Her research
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through finding a significant constructive part in his often erratic edits and ignoring the outbursts. Please keep up the good work and continue not allowing yourself to be dragged into the shouting matches! I know how difficult it is with opponents of certain temper. Thank you for your patience and
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I will look at it when I get home. I believe it depicted Ukraine and Russia before and after Pereyaslav; the Ukrainian Cossack represting Ukraine was proud and healthy pre-Pereyaslav, and in the after picture he was half-naked and half-starved. I'm going by memory and haven't looked at the book for
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You had changed it before, but all sources I possess state that the massacres were initiated by Ukrainians (including Davies and Snyder). Operation Vistula, a shameful event, was started by the Poles, but it is a different story. Poles in Volhynia, outnumbered 6 to 1, would have been suicidal if they
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Faustian. Please keep an eye on the K uban c ossack article. The information is very Russophilic. All my edits regarding the Ukraininess of the c ossacks has been edited out, as have all aspects of Ukrainian language and culture there. Recently the addition of the article to the category of Ukrainian
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With respect to Danylo, in my edit the wording about "most powerful" applied to Roman (Danylo's father), who did not rule at the same time as Nevsky (incidentally, Vernadsky wrote an interesting comparison of Danylo and Nevsky, regarding them as more or less equals). The claim that Roman was briefly
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It may be that the Institute of History of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences is of greater note than the figures from Google Scholar suggest. This is pure speculation on my part, but perhaps they have published significant work in Russian or Ukrainian which has not been translated? Either way, the
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During the XXe century, the Ukraine was confronted with two types very different of major medical crises. In the years 1930 and 1940 it underwent very heavy losses because of the famine, of the war and the political disturbances. Evaluations of total losses already gave an idea of the width of these
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On a different topic, I am going to make a strongest effort to carry a message to Joe about the tone of his entries. He used up his quota of patience and, frankly, I admire your ability to ignore his offenses and just keep editing. You have no obligation to tolerate such a row of persistence attacks
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Re JoeDoe, I notice that you take pains in incorporating whatever is salvageable from his edits into the article's text. I believe the same should be done with his sources "procurement" and other info for the Holodomor article. I understand that people may not always have time to rework his edits to
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that posting an RfC would bring out all of the image-must-be-shown zealots from all corners of the universe, but I think he naively thought that people can be rationale. I've fought this battle so much that I am war-weary. I may make a comment at some point, especially if the consensus is hanging in
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Hey there. I noticed you keep making the comparison between scientists who dispute the Rorschach's effectiveness to scientists who dispute mankind as the catalyst for global warming. They're both valid points of view, but as the minority, their respective articles only mention them in passing, which
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That's what I consider dubious... according to the sources including some Ukrainian langauge publications all found at the bottom of the page. After Gladky defected to Russia, the Sultan called upon Janissaries who wiped out whoever remained in the Sich and sacked it as well, and even those Cossacks
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Of course, this depends largely on POV. The fact that Western Ukrainians were in the eyes of the west citizens of Poland e.g allowed Anders to save soldiers of SS Galicia from being deported to Soviet Union. Anyway, from the Polish perspective they were helping the Germans against Poles, and against
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I disagree with his judgment of that section, it seems fine to me now. I think the Ukrainians in Kuban article offers more info than would be appropriate for the general article on Ukrainians in Russia, so it's appropriate for it to be a seperate article. I haven't looked at it carefully but in my
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As for balachka, remember that in 1897 Little Russian, was considered to be but a branch of Russian. In fact as Zakharchenko points out, it makes little difference which one you include it in, because the dialect is as Russian as it is Ukrainian, and its neither. Just how much more influence the two
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He further states Hernyk Josewski (Wspomnienia "Zeszyty historyczne' Paryz, 1982 nr 60 s. 72) stated that the true population was made up of Ukrainains 80%. Poles 16%. Significant numbers of Jews lived in the cities. There were some Russians and Czechs and Germans. Education was in a terrible state.
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Faustian, MVEi is rather hot-headed and difficult guy but it gives no one an excuse to engage into sterile revert wars with him. I left him a strongly worded message to cut it but it takes two to revert war. I know you for an excellent editor and I am surprised to see you carried away like this. The
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Your additions to the article are good, but I don't think that any claims of being "the most powerful" are encyclopaedic enough for Knowledge (XXG). These are just words thrown about from nationalist perspectives, and there are no facts to substantiate them if we talk about the Middle Ages. There is
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Lastly, on the quote "...editors should use English-language sources in preference to sources in other languages, assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality..." - I believe that this is intended to govern which source should be used in the event of two sources of equal
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I agree with you 100% - there is never any justification for the murder of women, children, or innocent civilians by anybody. I strive to be as objective as possible in all my edits, which ironically means that sometimes I defend UPA despite viewing the actions of some of its members with complete
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Obviously, the topic of the UPA is a massively contentious and involved issue and I'm not sure I have the knowledge or the energy to get involved there. But, judging from the talk page, I see you are asking about the suitability of the book Українська Повстанська Армія - Історія нескорених - Львів,
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By the way. What i wrote there i wrote because i havent known things like that cant be written on Knowledge (XXG), and i havent restored them when they were deleted. You copied what i wrote there on your user page, and thats a pure provocation. You know it was deleted so why to restore it if not to
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Sorry it took me so long to answer you, i wanted to read it all first. Well, this article is not a reliable one. You might ask why? Because this man doesn't come from an acadamy, but as a political organisation member. During WW2 the Gulag was working, but dont forget that it's a known fact that it
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which is referenced as a proof by one contributors of the objectiv of the ukrainian nationalist : what is interesting, is that this sentenced is taken from the International Military trial (a primary document): one austrian officer report what was said to one of his superior by a german admiral, 6
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article: 14:11, 22 May 2008 Faustian (Talk | contribs) (115,319 bytes) (make your edits without adding all the spelling and grammar errors, please) 13:39, 21 May 2008 Faustian (Talk | contribs) (115,319 bytes) (next time, limit your edit to information, rather than changing "sowing" to "sawing" and
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Once last these crises of the years 1930 and 1940, the former medical evolution takes again its course and, until the years 1960, mortality moves back deeply. However, as from this time a crisis of a new type occurs causing a durable inversion of the last tendencies : the life expectancy completely
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Now, ZN is not a peer-reviewed publication and Kulchytsky is not a demographer while he is certainly an academic scholar (a historian.) Also, his calculation is rather simplistic. While Vallin's group takes the same data and makes a forward projection (and backward projection) from the known census
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his grave is located right next Zaporozhian State University, where he died as a retired General in 1866? The fact that his descendants have made prominance in the following years also separates his fate from others. The character deserves films and memorials. Incidently the descendants of the Azov
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Sorry, referenced info from secondary sources belong in wikipedia. When you cherry-pick info from a primary source that directly contradicts a summary from the secondary source, your cherry-picked info will be deleted. Knowledge (XXG), after all, relies on secondary sources. It's unfortunate that
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I think that that image (assuming copyright isn't a problem) plus the Communist propaganda poster would both be good for the Pereyaslav article in illustrating that treaty's legacy. At the same time, that poster (or another similar image, such as the Tsarist-era painting) along with Ukraine's coat
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Hi Bandurist. I have read that the Polish census might have been falsified, and this info comes from Polish books, but we have no credible proof for it, after so many years, and this article is not about demographics of interbellum Volhynia. I will make a little change in the article , I will write
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I have no doubts about quality of Subtelny's work, and many Polish historians reported some skirmishes between Ukrainian and Polish police but I do not know if these events can be connected in any way to the massacres. These skirmishes mostly were the result of mutual dislike and were not organized
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Hi, I just want to say that I am very glad we have avoided edit wars concerning this delicate subject. As you have noticed, I am expanding this article, not to incite hatred, but to inform readers about these events. I do appreciate your help, and what is left for us to do now is to live peacefully
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I havent known that, when i was told it's wrong, i hope you noticed that when Kuban reverted me i havent reverted him back. Why? Because i understood i said something that Knowledge (XXG) is not the place for it. Infact, i perfered not to wrote even something instead what was reverted because as a
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Bulgakov did connect to Ukraine very well. That their literature is Russian is without doubt but the analogy of the writers from Ireland who wrote some good chunk of the best English literature comes to mind wrt to the writers who wrote the Russian literature but had clearly a Ukrainian (which was
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Here is what I see. Source one appears a very thorough work. It is published in the world's leading demography peer-reviewed journal. The work is sufficiently detailed and puts all the data and calculations on the table. All math they use is within the means of my comprehension and I've read it in
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OK, here is what we know now. Vallin's group are professional demographers of impeccable respectability and we are not (at least I am not) familiar with any other thorough demographic research of the number of victims specifically for Ukraine published in peer-reviewed literature. So, here are the
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Thank you for the support, and help. At some point I decided that I've spent so much time on the UPA article that no matter hwo much more time I invest, I will do it in order to prevent my time invested from having been wasted by having the article seriously damaged. But this leaves me less time
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With respect to collaboration and UPA, it is a difficult matter. Poland's legal authority over western UKraine was somewhat questionable - Poland was granted theright to rule over it by the League of Nations with the Polish promise of autonomy and a referendum in September 1939. Those conditions
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Maybe it's a matter of terminology then. And Point Of View of course. For example according to international law, UPA partisans were citizens of occupied Poland. Anyway, for the record, some facts that I found in a reasonable (Polish) source. I don't want to put them all into the article, it's for
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I would need to check sources for more details, but some things I remember right off are: UPA was fighting against Germans mostly throughout 1943 and has entered into armistice in the end of 1943, while both Nazis and UPA continued fighting against Poles. UPA was also receiving weapons, ammunition
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1. Political rethoric - I'm a National Bolshevik, you can find my rethorics on their web site, thats where it's taken from. They spread the information what part of Ukraine was were alot. As i understood, MVEi was also a National Bolshevik, which explaines where he took this rethoric from. Unlike
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So what can be concluded? The 2.2m figure is given to the reader on its own, without being substantiated since all the references provided cite the 2.6m figure. It is not clear why that number is used at all ("exceptional mortality" used in 2002, and "excess mortality" used in 2005 are the same
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Since it's not up us to judge which source is "better" as long as they all meet the criteria of reliable sources (which they do), all of the figures should belong (or for the sake of being brief, a range from low to high). The distinction of demographers and historians is important, so perhaps a
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That's an interesting point. I'm not sure if I have actually read that prior exposure jeopardizes test validity, or if I was just taught that. I think it sometimes depends on the motivation of the examinee. As I'm sure you know, some variables have high test-retest reliability, so obviously prior
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I already saw that. Thanks a lot. I simply do not have enough time to join the UPA article now but I am following the discussion. Re Joe's recent talk page entries, I slightly moderated it and removed some direct references to you as a person. As for his points, at least half of them seems valid.
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The main question is, why do they link in the external links sections, why not upload a/some suitable picture(s) and actually discuss the issue. That would be more encyclopedia than adding complete linkfarms. I hope this explains my removal of all these links, and I suggest, as I have suggested
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Mediation is a process where a group of editors in disagreement over matters of article content are guided through discussing the issues of the dispute (and towards developing a resolution) by an uninvolved editor experienced with handling disputes (the mediator). The process is voluntary and is
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I was in a funny mood when I posted that. I though your question about my nerves to be humorous. It was not my intention to be nasty, but rather to introduce an element of satire to what I see as a bit of a surreal situation. I figured after all of these weeks of the business of debate that some
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Compare Gogol with his contemporaries! His view of Russia is clearly influenced by his ability to both consider Russia as his country and being able to view at it from outside. (Perhaps this is what Little Russianness means?) No Russian was able to write such a damning satire on their country as
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I read most of the discussion. What can I say? I think you are getting an extremely high share of bad luck. After Joe's insults to get that kind of crap is just too much. One must give credit to Joe, actually. That fellow, composed himself somewhat lately, and even at his worst times he at least
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meant, etc. no matter how much evidence we can present to make our case. Doing so is original research. The quotes from the conclusion section seems to be the final word on what that source said. Period. So I fully agree with your comments. There is, I guess, the temptation by those who have
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In this case, it's tricky. On the one hand, UPA cooperated against someone occupying their country. However they did so in order to fight against someone else whom they saw as trying to occupy their country (either Poland or the USSR). And I have not yet seen evidence that UPA (instead of the
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states: Collaborationism, as a pejorative term, can describe the treason of cooperating with enemy forces occupying one's country. As such it implies criminal deeds in the service of the occupying power, including complicity with the occupying power in murder, persecutions, pillage, and economic
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A more extreme example (Godwin's law be damned, sometimes extreme example are good at illustrating points): do we add links to material written by neo-Nazis to articles about the Holocaust? I did not even censor the link, I merely labelled it appropriately so the reader knows what he or she is
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Afterward, there were two powers trying to occupy western Ukraine (eastern Ukraine was legally speaking not occupied by the USSR). UPA's cooperation with the Germans seemed to be limited to ways that helped UPA fight the next, Soviet, occupier of western Ukraine. They did not help the Germans
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One note on balachka that should be added (the article is blocked from editing) is that linguists do consider it a dialect of the Ukrainian language, albeit one with extensive Russian and others influences that differs significantly from standard Ukrainian. Indeed, even the tsarist authorities
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could be expanded. My point is that our section on the Ukrainians in Russia is broad enough and remember you can actually point the reader to the right article's respective section using the same ref citation except instead of the refrence itself add , /"see also that at "/. What do you think?
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Swawlowski probably doesn't deserve his own article; he doesn't appear to be cited as often as, say, Poliszczuk. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't post at least a brief description of him if we add the link to his work. Which Ukrainian sources comparable to Szawlowski are cited here or
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This information above, with good references, should be incorporated into the article. It seems that as the article increases in length, individual articles with all the details about UPA and Germans, UPA and Soviets, can be created with briefer summaries of those articles in the main article
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I hope you have read the recent discussion on Irpen's talk page, (read if you didn't). Anyway overall I am very pleased with our work on the section and your final edit summary is very much welcomed. Now that that is settled, I wish to move onto the actual article which shares the title of the
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I have not completed a thorough search yet, but I have a communication for you that I prefer to do by email if you don't mind. If that's OK with you here's my email address: the left side of the address is identical to my Knowledge (XXG) user name. The right side is at yahoo dot com. Thanks.
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I haven't heard about UPA securing mountain passes for the Germans; on the contrary, I heard that they were fighting against the Germans for mountain passes. Again, collaboration involved putting oneself under the authority of the Germans - such as police under German command (which OUN did,
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In 1926 at a conference regarding the Ukrainian problem the Polish minister of religion and education Antoni Sujkowski stated that that Volyn was 80% Ukrainian. (Siwicki p.63) In 1926 the Polish Policy called the Volyn program was announced for the state assymilation of Volyn by Josewski. The
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There has been some activity on the Cossacks page. I have made a number of edits regarding the use of Muscovy and Muscovite. The term Russia is often incorrectly used and is anachronistic as the term only went into use after the Reign of Peter I. Could you please review my corrections. Thanks
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Based on a very quick, superficial reading: very interesting but also very one-sided. The religion section forgot to mention the arrest and deportation of many Uniate priests (including the head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church himself). A modified translation would be great for the English
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I have no particular knowledge of the topics which were under dispute, but a few thoughts do occur to me. It appears that some of the circumstances are a matter of genuine academic dispute. We cannot say who is right or wrong in such a dispute. We're all aware that many academics do have
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Our friend Joe is not the only case I had in mind. His is just the most recent one. As for this guy, his main value is his sources that no one else has. Incorporating what is useful in them is the job we all have to do. You are doing what you can and manage to ignore the personal spats with
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And: "Let us add that on a European scale, as far as dreadful tortures go,the genocide committed by the Ukrainians on the Poles is only comparable, to a certain extent, to the Croatian genocide (by the Ustasi of Ante Pavelic) against the Serbs during World War II from the spring of 1941. "
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Thus on a total demographic deficit of 4,6 million people due to the famine and the Stalinist repression of the years 1930, the surmortality of crisis caused with it only 2,6 million deaths, reducing at the height crisis the life expectancy of the men to 7 years and that of the women at 11
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With respect to the paper on the Famine, I think that the same problem with the same editor is evident here as in the UPA article. As wikipedia editors, we have to stick to secondary sources - the basis of wikipedia articles - and what those sources conclude. We do not second-guess those
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Interesting, but unless we can find sources that are critical of Szawloski (or his works), our policies (LIVING, OR) do not support addition of such criticism to the articles. I certainly recognize those names as quite pro-Polish POVs, but that does not merit their censorship. PS. Who is
1539:. He is "no bargain" (my dictionary translates Russian "не подарок" that way) but we can't deny that he brings a lot of useful sources. I asked him at his talk too to cut it and he does not take my request graciously, but well, let's lead by example. Cheers and congratulations again. -- 914:
I wont revert you because if you wrote something i guess you have a reason for that, but i do think i should ask it: The link i gave states only he was again independent and considered himself Russian, could you please explain where is it written he also considered himself a Ukrainian?
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Thanks for the support! I actually prefer Bulgakov to Gogol (indeed, after Dostoyevsky Bulgakov is my favorite author) and generally agree with your observations. With respect to Gogol's Russian patriotism, I have a very interesting, and favorably reviewed, book by a Polish scholar
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brief description of the source (i.e., demographers concluded this, historians concluded that) is in order. Saying what politicans claim is also important, as long as their figures aren't cited as fact. I think the way the lead presently looks is generally acceptable, in my opinion.
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Allegedly Polish police working for the Germans started killing Ukrainian civilians in the western edge of Volhynia, where the Poles were not outnumbered, rather than in the middle of the region. Subtelny repeats the claim but also states that noone knows who really started it.
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burying your edit in spelling errors which are vandalism) 13:32, 20 May 2008 Faustian (Talk | contribs) (115,355 bytes) (fixed grammar and spelling) 14:43, 19 May 2008 Faustian (Talk | contribs) (115,355 bytes) (rv insertion of spelling and grammar mistakes by disruptive editor)
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which, regardless of who is right and who is wrong, is disruptive for Knowledge (XXG). I'm glad that you asked for a third opinion on this and I'm very glad that you're actively explaining your edits on the talk page. If this issue persists, feel free to ask for external help or
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results, Kulchytsky uses the same data (as seen from the work) and simply assigns an entire deficit of unaccounted deaths to the 1933 famine (it is all easy to see). The latest observation by me or any other person may not have much value, while the relative authority of ZN vs
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wikipedia page. Incidentally during this period my Russophile great-grandfather threw a party for Brusilov at his estate. He was obligated to send two of his sons to study in St. Petersburg (Military-Medical Institute) to avoid arrest in reprisal when the Austrians returned.
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Care to examine that one as well? Can you re-read Bachinskaya's refrence to see if there are any facts that I left out? I know that unlike the one above it is far less significant in terms of the historic role it had to play, but nonetheless Cossacks deserve attention.
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section. Realising that one editor will be very sensistive to the issue, I don't wish to carry out any edits there just yet, but I want us to agree on what to do with that article now. The question is do we need it? We already have a comprehensive section with
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I warned Joe again. BTW, you should take a cup of tea every time you are provoked, whether by Joe or by another user. Never ever give anyone an excuse to paint you what you are not. This is a frequently used trick in content disputes. Thanks for your efforts.
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Sorry if I have offended you, but what that I have written was an attack or uncivil? I am, admitedly, somewhat frustrated by the refusal to actually address the rules but I think that I haven't crossed any lines. So I guess you won't address the rules?
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I agree. A word of caution to you, however, that you seem to have a tendency to use dubious and sensationalistic sources such as Poliszczuk or the Siemaszkos who magnify the events or make things up. We should stick to historians rather than agitators.
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I know who Roman is, thank you. I will not remove your claim again. Suffice it to say that it was not me who wrote the Bogolyubsky article. His preeminence in Rus is hard to dispute, given the fate that befell his opponents in Ryazan and Smolensk.
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make encyclopedic content out of them, but this is what eventually needs to be done rather than this two-months long slow edit war. What do you think? (P.S. I am not saying that it is your job to do. I am just speaking in general here.) --
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Nice source Piotrus added indeed. But, Faustian, the best way to go is to remove this stuff from the links list rather than opinionize about it. The source is junk and can be used in the article about authors (if they are deemed notable.)
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years before.... That kind of document, which is important could not been used directly without confonting it with some other written report or fact ... So taken out of the context, and interpreted as it is, it s a real Original Research
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Same applies to Bulgakov, if you look at his perception of the Russian Revolution. While the writers of the indigenous Russian intelligentsia were musing about the eternal guilt of the Russian elite that it owes to the Russian folk (read
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Actually among the soldiers the majority was Russian. Among the populations Russians lost more then any other group. Anyway, i changed the formulation there from saying that most were Russians to Russians having the highest precentege.
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Irpen thanks for bringing this issue up for discussion. I checked the sources above, and there is indeed a puzzling contradiction between the 2002 paper (2.6m) and the (2005) paper (2.2m). In 2005, the authors first state 2.2m then
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Apology accepted. Unfortunately, it seems that only two people commented on the nonfree page. I am absolutely sincere in my comments regarding the nonfree bit, not wikilawyering (though I can understand how it can be perceived that
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certainly weren't Russian in spite of their ideology. Obviously it would be absurd to describe Kuban as "occupied territory" because the people seem to be quite patriotic towards Russia. But this doesn't make them any less ethnic
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I'll be busy for a little while and can't respond in detail, but my quick response is that the Ukrainians in Kuban article should stand although edits to it would be helpful. It's an interesting and important subject worthy of an
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where I asked him to stop calling editors racist and to discuss the ongiong dispute at the pertinent article. Even though Opinoso is not really participating overly constructively in the talk page discussions and he's making
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Even in tests with high test-retest reliability (such as the Wechsler tests) the tests need to be administered long after prior administration for them to be valid (I think in the case of the WAIS, a year or so) due to prior
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I like the article very much; there are some minor grammar and stylistic issues that I will work on when I have a chance, and there need to be more references I think. I'll add more about the Rusnaks if I can find it on the
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I've read the Ukrainian in Kuban article. Overall, the genocidal implications of the dispaearance of Ukrainian identity need to be changed, and I would like references for the valuable info, but it seems like a pretty good
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etc.). Unlike those cases, with UPA's cooperation it depends upon one's POV. It's much messier. Perhaps Finland might not be a good example. Would you consider Polish troops fighting for Napoleon against Russia to be
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I mentioned elsewhere some time ago that the Ukraine article in EB was written by Taras Kuzio. In fact, it was my memory glitch. Most of the UA history was written by Lubomyr Hajda from Harvard. Sorry for misleading you.
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Again, i can find you many wikipedians who are Anarchists, and like Punk rock. Are they the same user? I came to contribute to Knowledge (XXG). I want to maybe become an administrator one day. I'm not a sock-puppet.
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Would a brief example of the author's claims be more acceptable to you than an accurate summary? Should we add "written by a Polish non-historian who also claims that UPA's violence was worse than that of the Nazis
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You are hereby awarded this Ukrainian National Award "For Bravery" in recognition of your contributions to Ukraine-related historical articles, insistence on credibly sourced statements, and fight against vandalism.
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How accurate is the depiction of the test administration in the NYT's picture? Obviously we can't use that picture itself but it would be a good reference for someone trying to create a better image for the lead.
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Thanks, although I don't seem to be exactly cooperating with the guy. Instead I take what there is of value in his contributions and delete the rest. Unfortunately with him it doesn't seem to be a collaborative
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2. I ran over into MVEi one time, and we were on different sides there. He wanted a one piece image on the Russians page, i supported the administrator whuch eventualy blocked him about making a many people
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although for their own purposes) or the SS division, or administrators within the German occupational regime. UPA cooperation seemed to have been more of an alliance against a common enemy, like that of the
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I was merely contrasting a minority but legitimate scientific view (global warming skeptics) with a view (intelligent design) that is not considered legitimate within the context of the scientific community.
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M. Siwicki (Zapysky siroho Volyniaka Lviv 1996 - p.39) states that the census of 1931 was falsified. The Polishcensus stated that of the 2 085 574 people living in Volhyn 1 428 341 (68.9%) were Ukrainian.
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Hi, don't worry about overloading my talk pages - I can always move the conversation somewhere else. My point is that in many cases people are clearly collaborators (Vichy France, Quisling, Ukrainian or
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Also, please take a look at the questions about sources of the Famine article. I am interested in your opinion and if you need a full version of the paper emailed to you, you just need to ask. Cheers, --
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Well any answer is good, the trouble is that in its current state it has to be re-written completely and the finished result would not be much different from our section in Ukrainians in Russia. So the
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for other edits. Ironically, I probably have much less family connections to the OUN or UPA than the majority of other Ukrainians from the diaspora and don't even particalarly like the OUN's ideology.
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process rather than administrators. It'll be far more effective, as a large number of uninvolved editors and admins may be able to support you there, rather than just one admin. I'd suggest trying
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As long as you choose to bury your edits in spelling and grammar mistakes your edits will be removed in entirety, if not by me than by someone else. Not everyone likes to play games as you do.
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follows a similar logic, stating correctly that "during Andrei Bogolyubsky’s reign Vladimir-Suzdal principality attained significant power and was the strongest among the Rus' principalities."
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quality stating the same thing. I don't believe that it is intended to argue for giving English language sources precedence where sources in another language say something quite different.
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were not met by Poland. So UPA can probably not be considered Poles (even though it's members were mostly Polish citizens) serving an occupier against their own (fellow Polish) people.
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I'll try, at some point, but I am busier now than I have been for several weeks and will probably focus my time on keeping things from getting out of hand in the UPA article. warmly,
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Please, stop changing article about Roman Dmowski as u do now by adding such as information about his "homosexuality" what is not true or you will be banned for vandalism. Thank you.
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Thanks for your messages on my talk page. Please accept my apologies for the delay in replying. I am pleased to see that discussion appears to have cooled down for that article.
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An additional note: the UPA article contains alot of info from a document written in Ukrainian by the Institute of History of the UKrainian Acaemy of Sciences (here is an example:
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and do our best to avoid such massacres in the future. I do not hold any personal grudge against Ukrainians, but these events need to be described just like Holocaust. Greetings.
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the most powerful of the Rus princes was referenced from a legitimate source and seems logical, given his conquest of Kiev title of "Grand Prince of Kiev." More info on the guy:
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to see if there's a way to license the image on some kind of reduced rate for non-profit organizations. Failing that, it's about $ 120 per year if I ran the numbers correctly. –
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access to archives to turn wikipedia articles into original research papers, which contradicts wikipedia policy (and these policies are in place for a very good reason). regards
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cite the footnote (after the comma) and give 2.6m in the footnote, as if qualifying themselves. Then at the end of the sentence, they also cite the book in French. I found a
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Please limit your edits to grammar and spelling - i.e. “the” , “further” “owing”. If you Can't understand passage or statement – fill free to ask at talk page. Best regards
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since this may have been seen as agressive in the current context (this, and the fact that the page is protected, obviously). Thanks in advance if you have any information.
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against their own people (as, say, in the case of police, or informants, etc. more correctly thought of as collaborators). They seemed more to be allies than collaborators.
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Congratulations! I am sorry, I am way behind your discussions with JoeDoe. But I can't help notice their getting angry sometimes. Please try your best to avoid discussing
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in my absence is absolutely unacceptable, I am keen to go for a full RfC, will you support me, or be involved. I don't mind discussing issues but this has gone too far. --
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Because this is the English Knowledge (XXG), for the convenience of our readers, editors should use English-language sources in preference to sources in other languages,
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While I disagree with your basic position in regards to the inkblot issue, you do put that position across very well and if you have the time would appreciate your input
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and peer-reviewed vs non obviously matters. Now, the question is what do we do with this situation as far as the lead is concerned? Please let me know what you think. --
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that Ukrainians made at least 68% in Volhynia, as we do not know the exact number today. Anyway, I suggest we move our comments to the article's talk page. Greetings
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humor needed to be introduced. Perhaps my brand of humor is not for you. The funny thing is that in another context such a post could be seen as completely sincere.
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Read my explanations to Faustian before you make funny conclusians Faustian was already answered on. If you try to get at me because of my opinions thats realy weak.
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On the streets? Cossacks live rural stanitsas not in cities. And census shows less than 2% of the population now Ukrainian. Russophilic? Well that's what we are. --
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Not all situations are the same. In the case of the inkblot, people have a right to know the potential consequences of going to the link. What's wrong with that?
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In my opinion using the term Ruthenian in this context tends to muddle up the situation with the Ruthenians of Yugolsavia. Faustian, do youhave an email address?
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In the middle schools 344 (14%) Ukrainian to 2599 Poles. Of the 80 Ukrainians who qualified to get into Tertiary studies only 3 were accepted in 1938/9. (p.40)
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Pretty accurate. Why not use that image for the lead, actually? Non-free use images may be used in limited circumstances and this may be such a circumstance.
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and I think if several users will support it, It can added. In the case of Ukrainian writers such a Gogol and others this is important. Please join me there
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We might be hard pressed to find a source besides Exner to support potential invalidity from prior exposure, but I'll look when I go to my office on Monday.
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Read my explanations to Faustian. I'm not MVEi, and since when are there Hungarians in Lviv? I Know there are some Poles and Jews there, except Ukrainians.
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This is a hot issue for some people; it almost seems like an intense political or religious debate. I appreciate your efforts at being calm and reasonable.
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Well thanks for your additions, btw can you reply to my compromise suggestion on the poster ASAP, and also fix the caption of the coat for arms I added? --
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Thanks! I'm quite new when it comes to the non-editing side of wikipedia (if only all that was necessary was to edit....) so your advice is very helpful.
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I've stubbed articles on several Polish authors. Perhaps you could do so for the Ukrainian sources; many of them are known as similarly biased as well.--
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OUN's police in 1941) committed criminal deeds such as murder or persecutions or pillaging in the service of Germany while cooperating with the Germans.
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It looks good, although I don't know enough about architecture to contribute much. Thank you for the invitation though, you are doing a good job there.
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almost didn't recive people because everybody were to buisy for that. In the article i found a link by one of the greatest British historians, Overy.
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Thank you! This shows the wisdom of the wikipedia policy of relying on secondary sources rather than on personal research through the archives (OR).
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Also I know you don't like personal relations, but what do you make of Hillock's disrespect to our mutual agreement? --18:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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had started the massacres first. Greetings and I am always open for discussion, if you have sources that state differently, let me know. Thank you
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Thanks for your message. It's very frustrating when communications break down with another editor. However, you really need to go through the
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Thanks for my attention. I'm leaving work and won't be on the computer tonight (anniversary dinner) but will try to take a look tomorrow....
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Thanks. It's an example of my high regard for you that I automatically take your statements as facts. We all make mistakes once in a while.
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So why did you revert? You said you cant delete the fact that he was half Ukrainian, while i i did was adding the fact he was half Russian.
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declared it to be a variant of Little Russian as per the 1897 census. This is an important point which shouldn't have been taken out. best
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the balance. But I don't have it in me to keep fighting this issue over and over. I'll keep an eye on it though. Thanks for the message.
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I agree. I tried hiding that section once (rather than deleting it) until someone could fix it. But then the edit war resumed again.
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The article is from a political newspaper but the author is one of the Britain's most famous historians, curently working in Oxford.
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getting into when they open the link. But if the choice is to keep the link unlabelled or to remove it, than it should be removed.
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If I'm wrong I apologize. Abusive rhetoric has no place here, even if it's copied from Russian extremist political organizations.
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significant number of people. Where there is some controversy, we should also state who advances the viewpoints we describe.
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Gogol's Revizor or Dead Souls. That he viewed himself an unquestionable patriot of Russia is, actually, not a contradiction.
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Hopefully not a bother, but I just noticed your userpage has a redlinked image that seems to have been deleted at some point (
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On top of these two numbers (2.2 and 2.6 mln from the same author) we have the calculation of Kulchytsky in Zerkalo Nedeli (
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The 1931 census gives 3 762 500 Orthodox christians in Vohyn - 69% Ukrainian 29 % belorusan, 2-3% Russian, Czechs and Poles.
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total losses can be put at 4.6 million, 0.9 million of which was due to forced migration, 1 million to a deficit in births
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Interesting article, I would include the info in the Kuk wikipedia entry, stating that it came from an interview. Thanks!
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P.S. If you know Russian you might enter National Bolshevik sites to see where my political rethorics are taken from.
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Would it make sense to refer to Ruthenians specifically from Ukraine (such as Khmelnytsky) as Ukrainians in this case?
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Sorry. I thought that I was careful about making changes rather than mere reverts before reaching the third revert.
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article translating sections from the Ukrainian Knowledge (XXG). Please review it. Thanks 13:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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Easy tiger, steady as she goes, if everyone stays calm we might get a consensus. Which would be really good, yes?
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I hope this is of some use. Please feel free to contact me, should you have any questions or comments. Should
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Thanks! I'm too busy to teach myself how to archive (I'm sure it will seem simple once I've figured it out).
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Have you requested the Checkuser yet? This is so obviously MVEi. His writing style is the exact same, and
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was off-line for a couple of hours today but now back online, I downloaded a copy if it goes off line again)
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to discuss the issue on the talkpages first instead of unilateral re-adding the images. See you around. --
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I've made some changes to the article. Bandurist has a POV but he also provides good information. regards
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Hi, I changed this sentence: “In return, the Polish side also engaged in acts of brutality and vengeance”
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to engage in impression management (e.g., a forensic case), prior exposure could make a big difference.
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10:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC) Oh well, there goes the neighbourhood, looks like it's off again! shame
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This subject though, is much deeper and nuanced though (in general.) Personally, I think that Gogol
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Skorowidz miejscowosc Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej wedlug spisu z 30.IX.1921 r. wojewodstwo Wolynskie
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and most people will be happy to help as long as you're not adding to the problem by edit warring.
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I thought about writing a fair use statement for it, I'm not sure if it would pass the muster. –
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Lets do it like that. If in 32 hours you still have a majority, i stop removing the categories.
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Knowledge (XXG) doesn't normally use disclaimers & one is advised to remove them on sight.
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2.6 million deaths in 1933 instead of the normal 433,000 to be expected from previous trends
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cited sources (often falsely but sometimes usefully) rather to plainly arguing his views.
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Two months ago I requested that a citizenship and ethnicity parameters should be added to
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Thanks again for your message and feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.
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seem familiar (and the same weird West Ukraine claims. Isn't he the one who said the peo
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new user i perfer to learn first and get this talk page thing and only then write there.
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A collective work directed by France Meslé and Jacques Vallin (accompanied by a cédérom)
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says there's an identical image on Commons). The deleted revision looks very similar to
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If those (rather silly) personal attacks ever lead to you filing some sort of report,
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Is it some kind of sadistic national sport here to try to get innocent people blocked?
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What we actually need is to access and read the French paper. Something I cannot do.
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Hey, could you tell me what page the cartoon that you mentioned earlier is on in the
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I reread and clarified. There is a lot of info on his nationality on both sources
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15:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC) All quiet on the western front.... fingers crossed eh?
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wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template
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provides material that you may be interested in reading at your leisure. Cheers,
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brief view it doesn't seem to be grossly inappropriate or propagandistic. best,
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2007 as a source for this article. Are you aware of the Knowledge (XXG) policy
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after reverting someone i returned what he said with add-ons and explained him
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Thanks! Next time he gets disruptive I'll contact one of the relevant admins.
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Can you write a legacy section to finish off my newly expanded article on the
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since I know you are editing in good faith, but breaking 3RR is a bad habit.--
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book? I have the book, but haven't yet gotten around to reading it. Thanks,
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No offense taken. I reverted my reversion and will discuss as time permits.
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Great! Glad to hear it. Let me know if there is anyway I can help. Cheers,
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to light. BTW I think you might wish to reconsider your opinion of Gladky,
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assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality
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and related policies; in any case, who is this "nationalist"? Professor
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P.S. I'm against link-mania so i dont need a link. I trust your words.
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viewing in those situations has little effect. But if the examinee is
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rule. Please consider self-reverting. I don't indent to report you at
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I moved the remaining part of the talk to the article's talk page. --
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I had more free time than usual, but will stop the revert wars. best
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of the Committee or by e-mailing the MedCom's private mailing list (
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on verifiability? Regarding the use of non-English sources, it says:
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very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the
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is being blocked here at work but I will try to access it from home.
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I'd appreciate your comments and copy editing to this new article.--
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P.S. In Nationality i restored Ukrainian to, you were right here.
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on your involvement in the recent edit war on the above article.
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to produce a translation. Here is the part concerning the 1930s:
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of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a
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He's become civil so I'm holding off on such actions for now.
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exploitation as well as participation in a puppet government.
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in a way I consider controversial. I moved your edit to the
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no way of knowing who was more "powerful" - Danylo or, say,
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needs your feedback. You could maybe add some references.--
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Thanks! I'm not new, but I am technologically handicapped.
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Ukrainian Academy of Sciences in general is widely cited.
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Hi Faustian, I just want to express my gratitude for this
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http://www.holocaust-history.org/works/imt/03/htm/t021.htm
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20:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC) You might also want to look at
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is not less known. And again, i changed the formulation.
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to the article and state your intention on the article's
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Bandurist, this is a false assertion. Read Britannica. --
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Thanks, although the edit warring appears ot have ended.
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Rybinsk Museum-Preserve of History, Architecture and Art
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I am removing myself from this discussion based on your
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if you think it's a serious enough situation. Cheers,
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I wrote you another explanation on the Incidents page.
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The Barnstar for Manga reading Canadian wood-cutters!
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of arms would work in the Zaporozhian legacy section.
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I just wanted to add that I like your recent edits...
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It seems the compromise issue is heating up again...
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incredible patience. You well deserved an award. --
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languages have on it is for linguists to point out.
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The book was reviewed 4475:first, although you might want to consider 1447:, also have a look at the link I posted at 1344:Information on Arbitration is available at 4863: 4788:Knowledge (XXG):Mediation Committee/Policy 4013:MYSTERY SOLVED – Krokhmaluk or Krokhmaliuk 3788:according to the reverts you have made on 3726:not necessarily Ukrainophile) worldview. 2351:subjects and should provide references to 2056:according to the reverts you have made on 1944:case for not showing the original inkblots 3784:You currently appear to be engaged in an 2052:You currently appear to be engaged in an 1504:, you are hereby awarded this Barnstar.-- 4935:contact the Mediation Committee directly 3491: 4631:to discuss it there first. No offense. 4625:Expulsion of Germans after World War II 4399:This noticeboard might also be of use: 3016:Please refrain from such violations of 2631:and I will now vigorously watch this. 1772:Dear Faustian your actions in Articles 1229:Polish 27th Home Army Infantry Division 853:You are right, but why did you revert?? 819:Information stays and is not vandalism. 325:User:Kuban kazak/Ukrainian architecture 3464:. Thanks so much for your cooperation. 3381:. Thanks so much for your cooperation. 2651:conclusions, estimate what the author 2275: 1483: 1072:Thanks, I found it earlier. Not bad. 492: 37:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 4064:in order to see we have a concensus. 4058:Obsolete Russian units of measurement 3951:You might be interested in this link 3915:ru:Галицийское генерал-губернаторство 3249:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 3199:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 3145:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 3103:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 3044:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 703:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 7: 3813:among editors. If necessary, pursue 3503:", 1891, Oil on canvas, 133x193 cm, 2738:2.6 million to exceptional mortality 2081:among editors. 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User talk:Faustian
Treaty of Warsaw (1920)
 Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 
 talk 
23:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Alexander Nevsky
peacock epithets
Ghirla
16:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Andrei Bogolyubsky

Faustian
17:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Ghirla
18:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Bandurist
15:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Kuban Cossack
15:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Russophiles
Faustian
20:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
M.V.E.i.
21:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Faustian
22:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Irpen
02:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Faustian
04:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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