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which will then be linked to more detailed information in the respective WP pages specific to numerous BC locations. Over the past few years, I have detailed a number of inland ferries when working on WP articles for specific localities. My present exercise, which will focus on locations not previously covered, will initially require creating several new WP articles and significantly expanding over 100 existing articles. Creating new articles and addressing deficiencies in existing ones will also require substantial research into non-ferry content. The sheer volume of work in this foundational undertaking is the reason why it would be unproductive for me to make any changes to your list article until later next year.
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Go ahead and block me then please. I am not going to quit voting at FfD, as I enjoy the process and value what I have learned from it. I am not trying to insult your intelligence, but am through with you insulting mine. We are clearly not going to reach an understanding, since you refuse to recognize
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As I said before, I apologize for the mistakes that I have made in my voting, however I was raised to believe that making mistakes is one of the best ways that one can learn to improve themself, however if it will put an end to your questioning of my competence, as well as the veiled threats to block
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You blocked me because I was making, as you characterized it, "a lot of mistakes and blindly endorsing positions that make little sense", and doing so continuously despite being informed that I needed to stop doing so. I will do better by listening to what other editors tell me when they reach out
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Wow. For someone who's trying to get unblocked, you ought to be *way* less defensive and *a lot* more apologetic. I'm surprised (but not really) that you failed to address the reason I blocked you, which I've stated multiple times above. Also I'm unimpressed by how you're twisting the facts to
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Well, from what I saw based off the progression of some of my incorrect votes, the introduction of invalid and/or misinformed points can derail a discussion by shifting the focus away from the issue(s) at hand and causing subsequent votes to be directed towards the nonexistent/irrelevant issue,
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made some similar mistakes, I am trying my best to do better. I am truly at a loss as to what more I can do remedy the situation beyond telling you both that I have changed, whether it looks that way outwardly or not. I can't stress enough that I am learning as I go, and that
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The history is germane because your behaviour is still the same in general. You don't change your behaviour when other editors point out out problems. We should not have to repeatedly tell you that what you are doing is not correct. As
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Works for me, I'll unblock you on the condition that ANY repeat of the same behavior that lead to this current block will result in an immediate re-block, no exceptions. Please confirm that you've read and understand these conditions.
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Better, but do you actually understand why "making a lot of mistakes and blindly endorsing positions that make little sense" causes a lot of problems? In your own words, please explain why this is disruptive to the FfD process.
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Not a bad answer. So now let's say hypothetically you are unblocked but then at some point in the future resume the same behavior that resulted in this current block. What do you think should happen to you?
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is made apparent to me that I have erred (by other editors dissenting from my rationales), then I have no reason not to believe that I haven't erred and therefore assume that I am making sound judgements.
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any of the changes I have made, as the mistakes I am still making will forever outweigh them. I see no other solution beyond you following through on your threats, and keeping me from voting by force.
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