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Geographic Location. That 50 mile radius probably contains 10% of the country's population. There is no evidence here, especially considering how many other suspects there could be. Just check the discussion log and x-reference the IPs of people who's criticisms have been disallowed by Niteshift et al. I'm willing to bet it was one of them. The one thing I'm sure of is that I recruited no one, I always post from the same IP, save for right now when I happen to be on vacation. I know how this looks, and I'm sure 95% of the time you guys are right to ban. I'm just contending that this is the other 5%. It's a mistake, and if it took just a little digging to make it, it will take just a little more digging to correct it. Edit: One last thing: even though I may look like a single-purpose account, the truth is that election '08 was the first time I needed an account in order to edit
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You are absolutely correct. Then someone restored it. Then someone removed only the section where I point out the vandal (now blocked) who attacked this page. Please check the history. Then I resotred that section, only to log on today and see that even the talk page is censored... it has been
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That is not my IP. You are wrong. I'll explain it to you again: That is the IP of the person who is my alleged puppet. That IS NOT my IP. That's why they use the word "meatpuppet" not "sockpuppet". They are saying I recruited someone (in my sleep apparently). That's why in the opinion of one
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This person used the word 'Vandalism' to describe the edits to the page which removed all negative content. Had I thought of that before this user appeared, you can bet I would have been using the same word. I do now use that word to describe what has happened to the page, but until that person
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I might have let that one go, except that you had to put "largest ISP" in all caps. No, Cablevision isn't the nations largest ISP. They have 2.5% of the market. SBC, with 15.4% is the biggest, followed by
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You already got what you wanted, why must you continue to slander? Don't you think if my ip matched it WOULD SAY it there. Obviously it would. The other guys as much as said it was UNLIKELY and based only on REGION/ISP. What a farce.
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Whatever. Your slandar of me may be paying dividends, but that was NOT my IP (as you suggest), not did I recruit anyone (as the administration suggests). Enjoy this, because the criticism is going in
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Except that I didn't make the SPI complaint. I just commented on it. Daedalus969 initiated the investigation. So I didn't actually "accuse" him. But I doubt facts will change your rhetoric.
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And, again I live just outside of NYC. Cablevision is the nations LARGEST ISP. Somebody screwed up here bad. 04:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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