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if they applied to the historic vehicle! Obviously, you may know that they do, in which case fine, but please can you check the known facts? It might just have been that the 1981 rebuild team chose to reconfigure the loco to make it safer to drive. Certainly the museum curators pointed out that there
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As far as we know, the replica reflects the original. There is no surviving drawing but apparently there is text description. There is a drawing of the 1804 Gateshead engine in
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Sorry, It was not my meaning at all. In fact I founded it more logical to use the term valve than cock or tap. Right now, I realise my big misunderstanding using the term "colloquial" in my comment: in fact, I only meant common, or familiar, like "tap" ("robinet" in the French), but nothing vulgar
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