1772:, your are allowing someone else's writing to be stolen and uploaded to the wiki, do you have any sympathy for how much this spelling mistake's presence on the wiki is harming our Mon literature?, he has no ability to understand Mon literature at all, and he does not distinguish between right and wrong spelling, and continuously uploading to the wiki is a great destruction and delays the work of Mon scholars working for Mon literature.) 2. we see that your are accusing us, who speak openly and honestly on the wiki, with various accusations and banning our accounts, but I have not seen the rights of Free and independent written on the main page of the wiki until now (evidence= I've done a lot of work on Mon Wiktionary alone, but I've never had the chance to do anything until today, but I asked Mon Wiktionary for some rights, but no one was willing to give me the rights), I was too discouraged to continue working on the wiki, thanks.
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people's science, so let me ask you some questions. if your statement is correct, I request you to read this Ashoka inscription from your personal memory in a video file, but if you think this Ashoka inscription is fake, I would like to invite you to show me the inscriptions in
Thailand, Laos, Burma, Nepal. contact me when you are ready to travel, I'll be waiting for you to show you those precise and strong inscription clues. you don't need to borrow an interpreter when you travel with me, but the reason is that I speak Thai, Lao, Nepali, Hindi, Burmese fluently. For contact me phone number= +66882943296, location= Kanchanaburi Province, Sangkhla Buri District, Nong Lu Subdistrict Thailand, Zip code= 71240, Email=
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That is alright, I did not perceive it as rude. You are right, the entire section is similar, and I find the entire section a bit weird and problematic. Why mention scripts that are not really abugidas after all? And most of that section is entirely unsourced. The article is already a bit convoluted
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I was kinda rude, sorry. I added a source to the entry, btw. As for your comment, I mentioned it because that entire section was about unclear cases. So I think it fit to mention Azerbaijani as was kind in between the Uyghur, Kurdish and Phagspa, Pahwa scripts.
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Yea I did not mean to say Kamarupi does not exist or is not it's own thing, it obviously does, but I believe Goswami's linking of Kamarupi with Assamese, and it being the ancestor of all BAMO scripts is possibly unreliable.
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