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Palestine but also fought in Lebanon and Sinai, and the Palestinians didn't matter to any one here. The Arab nations cared about themselves, and the Jews cared about themselves. Essentially I am not trying to find an ideal name, I am trying to find a name that will divert readers where they need and help them understand. The current names do a terrible job. "Palestine War" will annoy pro-Israeli readers, who don't even know such name exists. Israeli War of Independence will annoy pro-Palestinians. 1948 War was deemed too general and the other options were confusing. It feels like if we only had one article it would be much simpler.--
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Israeli not really being accurate, it will also irk Arab and Palestinian readers without achieving any real benefit. I am in agreement with you that using Palestine will only serve to alienate and confuse Jewish readers, who won't find the overview article or the civil war article easily. Using 1948 war will avoid most or all of these problems. I don't think the 3 articles will be merging into one any time soon.
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Palestinians? Israelis or Jews?
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