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1793-1815 +/-. I particularly like being able to link databases or books on roles (man of war, privateer, merchant ship, slaver, whaler, or East Indiaman) when a vessel moves through multiple roles. I also like linking in books on origins, such as Bristol or Whitby, and now Quebec. What we can do on Knowledge is tie together all these great specialized sources. I am also glad that you have found articles I have created to be of interest. Given how specialized these articles are, I am surprised when anyone finds them. Cheers,

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general leaving comments on your own talk page won't get much response. I came back here to recognize your work on more obscure historical figures otherwise I'd have never seen this. In the future I would suggest using an articles talk page, a user's talk page, or by pinging a user. If I can be of more help let me know by pinging me or leaving a message on my talk page. Best,

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of stand alone articles about Australian organisations journals it really needs quite considerable cross referencing or substantial evidence of recognition outside of the organisations own published materials. Some organisations and journals have articles - but they are border-line - and it would be

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Thanks for fixing the sandbox problem. I still think there is a case for a seperate article for The Great Circle. I too have written for it as well as others in the field. Favourable comment sometimes appears in those overseas journals that make clear they regard The Great Circle as on par with their

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Thanks for this. I have ordered the book through Interlibrary Loan and will photocopy the Appendices when it arrives. Adding the source and any additional info helps build out the article and improves our knowledge of shipping of the period. I am specializing, for no really good reason, in the period

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Hi Acad Ronin: The source is Eileen Reid Marcil, (1995), “The Charley-Man: a history of wooden shipbuilding at Quebec 1763-1893,” Quarry Press, Kingston, Ontario. ISBN 1-55082-093-1. There are a number of appendices. Appendix A contains a table of shipbuilders. Appendix B lists sailing ships built at

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Thanks. I was a bit hazy on the guidelines re the hierarcy of categories but the quote above clears it up for me and I will try to observe that procedure in future. While I have your attention, is there any way I can change my username or would it be easier just to start over and create a new profile

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Thanks CC. I appreciate your encouragement and mentorship. I take it that creating categories at the end of an article is a way of indexing it so that Knowledge searches on those terms will find the article for inquirers. Your message has prompted me to explore WikiProjects. Some look interesting and

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guidance to point out the error of your ways", and after some hunting around, I discover that you are doing things perfectly correctly, and that my preferred style is simply that, a preference, and your preference is equally valid. (And, in Knowledge terms, if you get there first, i.e. by creating an

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is quiet, but I posted a question the other day and got a response. When disagreements arise over what should or shouldn't be in an article, its talkpage is the place to go, where reasonable arguments should rule the day, and a little humour sometimes helps. In the physical world, some attend chapter

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I am still tinkering with the entries on whaling in Australia and the United Kingdom and have plans to expand or create entries for some of the better known entrepreneurs in the industry. Once that is done I will take a look at whaling in the Antarctic and Arctic and consider what I could contribute.

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Thanks for those kind words. I created the article in my sandbox. But when I came to launch it on Knowledge I did something wrong and that original version is lost somewhere. I copied that draft on my iPad and entered that version on Knowledge. However it lacks a lot of the coding for notes, images,

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Hi Lexy, I added the lexicographer categories to those two entries. Then, on reflection I decided that I had misunderstood the meaning of the term lexicographer and so deleted them. As I now understand it, the term means a compiler of dictionaries of word meanings. While the word dictionary was used

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in that case - I think it is one thing to assert something has been around for 40 years (I should know I have parts of the early volumes) - another thing to to think of it as notable enough to have a separate article - there are simply not enough independent third party sources to justify a separate

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It might not be well known among Australian history journals generally but it has been around for almost 40 years now and is the leading maritime history journal in Australia. On another topic, I find my article on Bartlett Adamson is online but it is also somehow stuck in my sandbox and stopping me

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after your citation. I have done so for the above article. Please do this in the future so that our readers will be aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. Also, the use of ibid. or id. (or similar abbreviations) is discouraged, as these may become broken as new references are

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The article does not say why Birnie warrented inclusion in Knowledge because I had barely started to write it. I tried to add the next installement but found I was unable to do so, I presume because of yout speedy deletion fatwa. By all means police was goes into Knowledge , but to expect entries to

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Yes, he seems to have been an inveterate money-maker, a man of many successful schemes and not afraid to put his shoulder to the wheel not forgetting the dirty hands. So he gathered up a team and on one occasion went whaling round New Zealand (from his momentary residence in Australia). Do you feel

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In respect to the above subject, I have removed 'Category:Marine occupations' because this category is a sibling to 'Category:Underwater occupations' under 'Category:Maritime occupations'. Please refer the following link for more information about the relationship of underwater diving to matters

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I wanted to point out two ways to help your new articles attract a few eyeballs. The first is the WikiProjects. Every article has a talkpage, as you know, and even if there's nothing to talk about yet, i.e. no contentious edits to discuss, it shouldn't be a redlink. It should be blue, because every

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and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion

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Australian whalers joined the rush to exploit the newly discovered whaling grounds around Baring Strait in the 1850s. Not much has been published about their involvement there. There is, however, information available in contemporary newspapers, some of which have become available in recent times.

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Thanks for reviewing the page on Rhys Richards. As a reader of Knowledge articles I have noted the pages for popular singers, actors and novelists often contain a full list of their songs, books or movies. I would not like to think their achievements are any more significant than that of a good

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Two things happened. Someone nominated the page for speedy deletion believing him to be a hoax. I then pressed the contested deletion after finding online evidence that he existed. That's the note you saw. Shortly thereafter I also removed the speedy deletion notice. Sorry for the confusion. In

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I look forward to collaborating with you! As you've said you welcome help, I've taken the liberty of tweaking your "thank you" so it indents neatly under my first message. It's a convention to help keep conversations together. I still forget wiki-etiquette sometimes - that redlink was a basic

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Pelagic whaling voyages in the 19th century were significant maritime ventures that involved thousand of pounds in expenditure and the employment of 30 or so crewmen. The journal kept aboard the Australian is one few Sydney whaling accounts to survive and is the only one to be published so

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Thank you, Bardo. I guess that you are, strictly, correct. However, it is interesting that both learned gentlemen were unable to find a better title for collections of biography listed alphabetically. But then, like academics defending their turf, I imagine lexicographers would demand

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Sorry for the CSD, I just took what seemed the safe route given that the web link provided didn't work (for some odd reason which I am unaware of) and that all other sources were offline and there simply seemed to be a lot of details about such an obscure historical figure. Again,

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page - you are adding parent child/cousins and every relative you can find - please understand a more pedantic editor would come in and remove most of your word association. It is a common affliction to try to elevate an article - doesnt help - please check carefully. thanks

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Quebec and includes date of registry, name, rig, tonnage, measurements, builders and official number. Appendic C lists the same details for vessels built at Montreal and other outports. The specific page numbers are Alexander (p.367), British Army (368) and Wolfes Cove (386).

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Hi Earwig. What happened was I created the Joseph Hogarth article in my sandbox but could not figure out how to get it out to publish it. I asked for help and someone published it for me. But the sandbox was left as you found it and I was unable to use it to create anything

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historian. With that in mind, the bibliography was added to the Rhys Richards page. One option might be for the biblioraphy to remain but for it to be hidden, as notes and sources usually are. My technical skills are limited and if you could set that up I would be grateful.(

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The paragraph at the beginning of the section on bay whaling and the one at the end are based on wide reading of the subject over many years. To footnote general knowledge of the subject seems to me unnecessary, although I try always to reference specific dates and events.

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Hello. I saw that you added Australian whalers hunted bowhead whales. This is a northern species. I'm assuming you're referring to Australian vessels that were sent to the Arctic to hunt them? I don't have access to the cited source so I'm not sure what it said exactly.

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Certain streets in the city, because of their central positions, or due to concentrations of heritage buildings, up-market stores, restaurants or other tourist attractions have become popular destinations for visitors to the city and often feature in tourist

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Hello again, I'm so happy that you are sticking around and adding so much good new material to the encyclopedia. You are now at a stage where we can disagree on matters of taste. I observed something you had done, I thought "that's not good style; I'll find

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I have an interest in British and colonial shipping in the Pacific in the age of sail. Whenever I find a Knowledge entry for a particular vessel of interest it is usually you who created it. Thank you for making them available. Best wishes from the South

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in the titles of the books compiled by the individuals concerned, they were not true dictionaries of word meanings but rather collections of biographies. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for commenting though. It’s good to know someone is taking notice. (

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Thanks for your addition to whaling material in the australian whaling article - the paragraph after your edits does not have a single ref/WP:RS - it would be appreciated if you have material to hand that could solve that, just in case you do have so

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Hi Histragic: Generally, the Category "British whalers" is for individual persons associated with whaling, particularly captains. The vessels go under "Whaling ships". I just thought I would give you a heads-up before removing the category. Regards,

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etc. I have started to re-enter that coding but it a slow process with my limited technical skills. If you can access the original sandbox version and use it to replace what I launched on Knowledge today I would be grateful. Hope that makes sense. (

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I'm indenting you again! (Do you see how the thread of conversation works?) Thanks for that response. I look forward to reading your improvements to the entrepreneurs. Let me know if you have any wiki-questions that the resources above don't cover.

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I think you are going to find it hard to justify that - the journal is not at a threshold of notability that could justify a separate article - the important of clarifying WP:N is where there are suitable and adequate sources of WP:RS that are

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Many thanks Carbon for your comments re the speedy delete matter. I also appreciate the additions to the Thomas Sturge page which greatly enhance it. The support provided to new contributors in Knowledge encourages me to continue.

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You are of course very welcome to join any WikiProject that takes your fancy, but you don't have to join any. Putting the project on the talkpage of an article draws the attention of subject enthusiasts; it doesn't commit you to

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Initials - Janet Holmes a'Court and Kerry Stokes - she her art gallery and collection - and Kerry has a very important library - not sure australian wikiproject has anything about significant personal book collections yet -

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Yes, categories are very helpful. I've discovered many fascinating threads of connection that way. You have to add the category at the bottom of the article, not add the article to the category. The way they work is at

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but hell the average reader is not going that far... strongly suggest that the category should be renamed the way you are adding to so many sites that havent seen a beached whale in some cases for almost a century

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It was not unusual for ordinary seamen on whaling vessels to work their way up to the rank of captain. And captains did sometimes become the principal owner of multiple vessels after retiring from the sea.

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The material I added on this subject was a precis rather than a direct copy. Your point re the use of ibid on the other hand is valid and I will bear it in mind in future. Thanks. (

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Hi Bahudhara, I put down what was in the source but wondered about it myself. I should have checked the geography of the area to see if it was likely. Thanks for having done so.(

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much better to expand the material in the article where it is until such time as there is a point where critical weight accrues relevant to the material for another article.

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I cant find any button to contest such a nomination. Also I dont understand the grounds for the nomination. Namely, that the nominator, “Found some evidence that he existed.”

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lacks a central article. I'd be curious whether the men who rowed the whale boats ever rose to captain the whale ships or finance the venture from a snug shoreside berth.

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I am puzzled about the nomination of the entry on Thomas Sturge for speedy deletion. The grounds for deletion being the nominator “Found some evidence that he existed.”

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Many thanks for the help with Bicknell. I plan to do a little more on him. Then some maritime history. I'm all whaled out at present but may return to it in future.(

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own national maritime history journals. It would take time to track down those third party references so for the moment I will put the matter aside. Thanks again.(

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No obligation, but if you're enjoying your current subject, you might consider later tackling some of the other countries for which we lack an article on whaling.

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article, you generally get to keep the style you set it up with. British v American v Australian English is one example.) So I still have a lot to learn.

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I think you're doing quite well at finding your way around the system, Histragic, all things considered. Another tip: in order to ping someone, e.g.

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I can vouch for first two as I haven known their curators, and could wax lyrical about them, as to the other, and the unmentioned one, hmmmm

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by logic (?) perhaps if AB was an art collector, then what are j h-a and k s need that as well... assuming you understand the initials

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we have a user in australian called hack - thats what I think of AB and his understanding of anything cultural regardless of money,

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Many thanks! My technical skills are limited and I am of an age where they are unlikely to improve much so I appreciate your help.(

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Hello, and welcome to Knowledge. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Knowledge, introducing inappropriate pages, such as

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was wrecked on the Troubridge Shoal it's very unlikely that the crew and passengers had gone to "Torrens Island" which is in the

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I am intrigued as to why you deleted the Lexicographer category from both these creators of dictionaries. Any particular reason?

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I was indeed pinged back here. I am glad you're finding your way around. Nice having someone do deep historical research. Best,

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for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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Actually, I think I understand what happened now after reading the section above. I've moved the draft version you had of

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Thanks for picking up that error. I have corrected it to 72 degrees. Don't know where I got the 31 from. Thanks again. (

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Just a heads-up since you've been misspelling it in the Edit Summaries. No harm done, just thought you'd want to know.

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malarkey, so it generates a link and an alert to them. See what I did in the previous sentence? Hope this helps.

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thanks for pointing that out - add the colon in the cat - and it pipes it rather than you becoming part of it

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degress south in the 1830s and thus south of the Antarctic circle. Did you mean 61 or 71 degrees south?

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Paying $ 54 million for a painting kind of qualifies him for me. Don’t know the initials.(

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but reflects very little of the depth and complexity of book collecting in australia

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fair enough - thanks for that... thinking about it - there are indeed generic ones

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from using the sandbox for other things. Any idea on how I can release it? Thanks.(

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suppose they might be - but are you following a precedent from somewhere - or...

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tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with

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The "books and booklets" and "articles" sections seem to overwhelm the article.

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is a solid achievement. I'll do what I can to improve it (have you come across

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Instead just supply the name of the image. So in this case you can simply do:

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links (unless style requires it) – keep the full title of the article visible

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a whaling centre - but adding categories that do not have the distinction of

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Category:Underwater Diving and Category:Marine occupations on the article,

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing

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Much as I might selfishly wish you back to whaling (whatever happened to

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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ok your answer could be that the category has a distinction made there -

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before?) because your work is a real contribution to the encyclopedia.

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There will then be a separate parameter for the image caption such as

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are deliberate.) We have articles that touch on those subjects, e.g.

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Thanks Carbon. I am new to this and can use all the help I can get.

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Do let me know if you want me to look at anything in your sandbox.

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If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider

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I would be grateful if the issue with my sandbox could be fixed.(

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