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Genetics Fourth Edition", page 171 "...this overo group actually contains multiple patterns, including frame, splashed white, manchado, and sabino. Sabino likewise includes sabino 1, white, dominant white, and polygenetic sabino." p 188 and 191 (in the section titled "Sabino and White") "The relationship between sabino, dominant white, and white is complicated because the phenotypes overlap and they are also genetically related. They are somewhat easier to understand when discussed as a single group." p 191 "Multiple distinct alleles cause the patterns that are grouped together as sabino or (dominant) white. These all occur on the
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name, followed by the number indicating the sequence in which they were discovered." That's the first time I've seen that; I'll have to keep an eye out and see what terms others are using. Gotta go now but I can take another look after, I see you've made lots of changesĀ :)
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