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I have no plan to learn the local templates in en wiki and this is one of the reasons why I have made so few edits in here over the years. People who are more familiar with it can do it much more easily. It's not that I am aiming for QA-s or anything. More like filling in some empty blanks with short
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I reverted it because the picture had nothing to do with the article. No where in the article does it talk about light pollution. If you want to add info about light pollution within the article (with sources) and then add an image of it, that would be fine. But if you're just going to add a random
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