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702:". Now it's evident it's not true. Simply because these transcriptions caused ths discussion. I was sure the notes with references make a contribution to the ease of verification, because, as a reader, I would find these notes helpful even to me, a native Russian speaker: these words are not in my active lexicon, and a link to a respected dictionary is very handy in this case, if I want to be sure about the transcriptions.-- 1394: 2806: 2718: 2630: 2551: 2487: 2419: 2351: 2283: 2215: 2147: 2079: 2011: 1943: 1875: 1752: 1715: 1678: 786:". No, the modern spelling couldn't reenforce your point, because what you did was just quote the common knowledge about Russian phonology+phonetics (the reduction), but Russian spelling is not designed to reflect the reduction processes. So, wherever the modern spelling or the Church Slavonic spelling have emerged from, it wasn't from the reduction laws you cited.-- 497:. Categories should not be hard-redirected, as with the current software, this causes problems. In most cases redirects to categories should be deleted, and in this case I have nominated the category for speedy deletion. In the rare case that a redirect to a category is absolutely necessary, it must be done as a soft redirect. For more information see 2588: 567:. As for the choice of signs, I have no opinion and don't care as long as they are understandable. Of course, if they were consistently used throughout Knowledge (XXG), that would be also good. So I wouldn't consider your edit as an undo, but rather as a further improvement, if you have reasons for your choice of signs-- 341:"Pny" does fix it on my machine. I see this as a shortcoming of the lang tag implementation, since most implementation only takes into account language/region not the writing system. Given it uses one of those 3-letter abbrevs, most (if not all) browsers probably have no clue what it is and just ignored it. 1093:

Hi. Not having time to read all the discussion there, for now, I can say that I would like very much if there were a kind of combining acute accent in the layout. (But I'm not really sure that it is actually absent from the current layouts; perhaps, perhaps I just have not learned how to use it.) I'm

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understandable only by professionals), what will the value it adds to the article be? No added value for an average reader. So, I decided to be more IPA-like so that an average reader would get better understanding what the ideas about that reconstruction are like. I hadn't looked at other places, so

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I think it's a drawback of that template that it doesn't specify the language. It is possible to specify the language written in a non-standard script in a correct way. So, specifying it would never hurt the mark-up, just give advantages for automatic processing. If styles are imperfect, they should

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Thanks for the links. I'll definitely use that website more often, especially when I want to see conjugated verbs and declined nouns. Your theory regarding the change in stress makes sense. Taking a second look at my Oxford dictionary I see that the Russian-to-English section, has first-syllable

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online dictionary indicate ржаветь is stressed on the first syllable; I'm also pretty sure that Lightner (1972), my source for the information, has it stressed as such as well. Both you and another apparently native speaker seem to disagree. Could this be a difference between Standard Russian and

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So, I'd recommend you to discuss things before reverting to "your" variants: there might be flaws in your understanding of things. But in this case, even a discussion wasn't necessary: I gave the sufficient references, and if you respected this contribution and paid attention to what was meant, you

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and is pronounced as after soft consonants. This is basic uncontroversial phonologial knowledge about Russian and, if your source contradicts the scholarly sources, then your source is wrong. This, and the fact that it's unnecessary to source every transcription we make of Russian words prompted

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because, as far as I can tell, the common Common/Proto Slavonic representation of nasal vowels is with the ogonek. I've seen the yers represented with the cyrillic letters, which isn't "crazy" (okay it is, but it's still pretty common) but isn't my favorite way. Maybe you could discuss this with

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your source. Either way, the source that you are using seems to contradict the understanding of Russian phonology that I've seen everywhere in the literature I've read (unless you simply overlook the movement of the stress marker). If you say that these are uncommon words (which I didn't know

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reenforces what I said about the pronunciation. If you're trying to say that the stress is on the middle syllable then it would be (notice where I've put the stress marker). Again, this is only for modern pronunciation; if we're going to do non-modern pronunciation, we'll have to do a lot of

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back in 2005. It was not clear to me what sort of subsystems you had in mind. I have rewritten the page with links to phonetics, phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics, and pragmatics, which are often discussed as subsystems of linguistic study. They are not, however, systems of

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Have you even tried to understand what kind of source I'm referring to before saying "if your source contradicts the scholarly sources, then your source is wrong"? That's not "my" source, that's one of the standard dictionaries of Russian language Russia and Soviet Union have been

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I admit that my ability to conjugate and declinate is not up to par, but I'm pretty sure that I faithfully copied the examples from Lightner (1972), who I'm pretty sure was a proficient in both. So it wasn't based on my poor declination skills but that of Lightner. —

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Yes, so use whatever special modifier you find to be better. Doesn't using AltGr fit your assumption that it's only for very few special people? I don't object to any special modifier + \/, but I'm against, say, throwing ё away, or another useful "one-press" symbol

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But can't it be something like Alt+' or Alt+/? (Well, it seems, there's no ' in the Russian layout, its key in the English layout is occupied by э in the Russian one, so it doesn't suit our goal: Alt+э could be a hotkey.) So, the second variant: Alt + the key for

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For me, Shift-2 prints " in the Russian mode. Loosing it doesn't seem nice (unless there are the good double angle quotes somewhere, but they aren't). If you were to use Shify + a number key, then I'd prefer Shift+3 (produces № for me), not that I often use this

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And when I was doing that fix, I had to make a choice which notation to use and I had a thought like this: ok, the Old Church Slavonic line is written completely in Cyrillic, if this line ends up being just a transliteration (again, with cryptic signs like

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Also, I believe, there is no big need for the following symbols in the Russian mode, so their value can be replaced by the stress code: _ (underscore = Shift + -), * (but this is used in wiki syntax, so not a good idea for us). (Also posted to

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Per your suggestion above, I'm also not sure what you mean by sociolinguistic subsystems, despite my training in sociolinguistics. Your original version mentioned Abstandsprache, Ausbausprache, and Dachsprache. Do you regard these as systems?

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As regards the other variant (the non-mine) ржАветь: even if I force myself to make this stress, I can't imagine how to conjugate it with this stress. So I would be curious to know how the people who put the stress like this conjugated

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stress but the English-to-Russian section has second-syllable stress (so it contradicts itself in this regard). One possibility is to pick one stress as far as the example goes and then, in the notes section, mention the variation.

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Your flaw was the following: Before applying your knowledge of Russian phonology, you should have figured out which morphological form this is (at least, to put the stress correctly). And surprise! The modern verb forms have an

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My assumption was, that only people working with Russian language in depth would need and use the accents. Am I wrong about it? AltGr (3rd level) could be assigned to a custom key (e.g. right alt, or one of the windows

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and I was not clear on what benefits there may be for using that tag. I am sure you created it for a reason, and I look forward to learning more about it. I have placed a question about this on the talk page for

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d'une communauté donnée, relatif à un domaine d'activité spécifique de cette communauté. Une même communauté peut s'exprimer dans plusieurs idiomes plus ou moins disjoints suivant leurs différentes activités.

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No, I wouldn't object. That's the way of trying to make it best. Although, I would envisage other ways of fixing the problem (I mentioned them: fixing the stylesheets, perhaps,adding a style-attribute to that

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I guess that's actually a problem of either Firefox or of the Knowledge (XXG) stylesheets -- so, the best place to fix it is there (in one of these stylesheets), because logically the lang attribute value

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Alt+/\ can be shortcuts as well. And it could only work at a desktop level, not for keyboard layouts directly, there's (AFAIK) only Shift, AltGr or Compose. Mhm, difficult. P.S.: /.\=- are five keys.--

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You mentioned using CSS to fix it. I am not sure actually sure where to bring this up. If you can tell me where can I go to give suggestions on changing the CSS, it would be great. Thanks plenty. --

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And a general note that is not relevant for our "conflict" (although I do not see any conflict, just a neglect to read from your side), but which refutes the statement in your reply. You wrote: "

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L'idiome est un attribut du couple (communauté spécifique, activité spécifique). Suivant ces communauté et ces activités, peuvent être considérés comme des idiomes ce que l'on nomme par :

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you suggest consulting a dictionary, but I can't really find anything that helps out in this regard. The point of the example is to show alternations between nominative (masculine) and

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Thanks Imz for your answer. Where would you add the combining acute? The only "free" keys are /.\=- Another alternative might be to change ё/Ё to a dead key with ´/¨ (Acute/Umlaut).--

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with other, occupying additional keys (like for German umlauts) or sacrificing an additional "shift"-level/group to accents. Just a combining character would be all what we need.--

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But in this case we probbaly have the simplest solution: use the special pinyin code you mentioneda above. I'm performing the change right now. What do you think of it?--

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452: 1329: 26:! Thank you for your contributions; I hope you like the place and decide to stay. We're glad to have you in our community! Here are a few good links for newcomers: 1010:, which is completely unclear in its meaning with respect to Russian, os it was an indication that this point should be checked and re-written in standard terms.-- 1133:) is non-sense. There are no regular umlauts in Russian, and ё shouldn't be entered by two presses because of some strange idea to represent it with an umlaut. 1838: 1596: 764:

am trying to say, that's how it is written in the dictionary and I wanted to contribute this knowledge to the article, because it would make it better.--

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Pay more attention to contributions by other people. You seem to be overconfident that they are garbage even without considering them closely.--

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I think I am going to try to work on this article. But I noticed you objected to its factual content. I am hoping you can elaborate? Thanks, -

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Please look at the dictionary entries. The name of the letter is a separate word with a stress different than in any modern finite verb form.

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It's a great template, I use it often. Is there away to make the size setting a default like it is now, AND a variable. I need it bigger on

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What I meant was something like the term "idiom" (list of kinds of idioms) , as it is known in French or Russian sociolinguistics. cf.:

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Ok, if you were talking only about the Russian "plane", then we have differences: I have \ and / on the same key in the Russian mode.--

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case--which doesn't make sense at this point because of what agentive means, but could actually mean "genetive" or an indication of an

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you suggest consulting a dictionary in regards to the stress placement of ржаветь. However, both my own Oxford dictionary and

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If you're trying to say that the stress is on the middle syllable then it would be (notice where I've put the stress marker)

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One possibility is to pick one stress as far as the example goes and then, in the notes section, mention the variation.

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I opened a request to add an acute accent to the russian keyboard layout. Since I have seen that you contributed to

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge (XXG) appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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This one is easy, on my russian layout: / is on the left of я, . is right of ю, \ right of э, - and = right of 0.--

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I'll definitely use that website more often, especially when I want to see conjugated verbs and declined nouns.

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before hand) then I can see how that would justify citing the pronunciations of these words and not others. —

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Then I don't understand you. . is occupied by ю. / is occupied by . . You couldn't suppress these things.--

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That way, others will know who left which comments. You can sign your post like I did by using 4 tildes (

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I might break consistency of the notation, of course. So I expected someone to fix it, if it happened.--

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