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651: 444:. Although the species and the genus are currently coterminous, they are not the same; the discovery of a new species would make that evident. The article is about the taxon, and at the moment, species and genus cover the same animals, so we use the genus as the title, per WP:TOL, but it's as much about the species as the genus. This strikes me as exactly the sort of case where having the category on a redirect is most useful. The category applies to the species name (which is a redirect), and not to the genus name (which is the article title). -- 1921:

that the House Sparrow is a commensal of humans, and not use "wild" as a sort of opposite to commensal. Some bits of the article also don't fit in very well; the present organisation is not the best. It might be good to state that Johnston and Klitz didn't think House and Spanish Sparrows are identifiable from bones (though the mention of their paper may be enough), but like the statement on Anderson's comments on evolutionary history, this is not quite directly related. A citation that there any "others" who have considered

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Perhaps a decision will be made soon. Sorry I wasn't clear I hope this helps. The references I made to the Stuarts was made because "Charles Stuart" does not have a parameter of "", or a "See" to use for linking; only the word "and" which doesn't seem appropriate to me. Obviously Wikisource will have

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The navbox looks good, but I think it might be better to alphabetize everything. That makes it easier to find a particular species. Also, I know it's the standard in navboxes, but I don't like the underlining for the subgenera; in my view, it draws too much attention to what is after all a relatively

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this particular page seems, in my view, puts the ambiguity to rest when looking at the links near the beginning of the page; i.e., "Stuarts'" where the name is the only choice available unless we link the "see" and the "and" which, to me at least, would challenge overall consistency of the project.

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You just added that "Tchernov did not designate a type specimen"—in fact, he did, in a way. He said something like "Holotype and paratype are in the collections of ..." in a footnote to the measurements table, but did not give catalog numbers. I am afraid I actually forgot to look at his paper again

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I suppose the article could be moved to the article space, but I don't quite think it is finished. The lead doesn't really match the text: it should mention who Tchernov was, though I can't find a satisfactory way to do so; perhaps it should avoid the word "discover"; and it probably should clarify

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For now while I'm getting used to being an actual logged-in member (I've frequented, and adored, Knowledge (XXG) for quite some time now and only last night decided I couldn't pass up one more typo;) ) I think I'll stick to correcting the odd, and obvious, typo. So off I go to learn how to do the

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My apologies for the lack of an edit summary on my first edit, only noticed the box for it as the page was heading off into the 'ether'. By then it was a bit late and wasn't sure if I should do a second edit just to add a summary. As for the four tildes, I'm having trouble making it work, or at

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2 (Upper Acheulean). On pp. 121–123, he also discusses the gradual change in the Levant fauna, from mostly Ethiopian in the late Miocene to mostly Palearctic now. There are no more measurements than those I already listed from Markus, and the caption of the measurement table has a footnote which

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Yes, please look at the sources you mentioned, and the brief mentions above (if you can't find the thesis, can't we cite the last brief mention I gave). Yes, I'm not sue the "others" is an adequate summary. I don't think using wild and commensal as is done is very appropriate. For one thing, it

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Concerning the file with the misleading name: Seems that you need to change the source file name in the proofreading system. Maybe ask on village pump on wikisouce or something like that. Or, of course, just leave it that way and put a warning on the file's desciption page. Cheers

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I am so sorry for being so useless. I've been laid up at home the last month with a sinus infection (which is why my actual contributions have also been limited lately), and the scanner and book are at work (where I left it prior to scanning it). I'll try and grab it soon.

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OK. I thought Commons might object to the "old news, spent" aspect of it. Also, I didn't want to put the graphs up as the be all and end all, since the traffic data on which they 're based is probably an underestimate. The three graphs are at the bottom of

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While the discussion renders several interesting viewpoints I believe this particular page offers an obvious solution. I have redone the link to Charles Hart by linking the name as well as indicating by year of death which Charles Hart it is. Thanks.

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As for the file, no, it was a typo, but I didn't notice until I had started proofreading on Wikisource, and it will be a ton of trouble to move the Wikisource pages, and if the Commons redirect doesn't work there the pages will all be blank for a

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needs to be split. "Chipmunk" is still a useful label, which coincides with a monophyletic group if not with an actual taxon (unless someone reinstates the subtribe Tamiina or even the tribe Tamiini for them). We can just redirect

1951:. Unfortunately, it cites a Ph.D. thesis (Mourer-Chauviré C., 1975. Les oiseaux du Pléistocène moyen et supérieur de France. Thèse d'État Université Claude Bernard, Lyon, n° 75-14.) I might be able to get it, but probably not. 938:

for the western North American species. I'm not quite sure yet we should be following this at Knowledge (XXG), but I have seen it used a few more times in the literature, and when Musser says something, it has some weight.

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I worked from the organization of some of your other sparrow articles when writing the article, but for a poorly known fossil such as this, a different organization may be appropriate. Feel free, of course, to edit it.

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I've added what I could from Tchernov, as well as some information from Markus. It's not much, as the description is very brief and the only character that is explored in some depth is the ventral groove/ridge.

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Looking through my sparrow books, I had best wait until after you've started writing up the text; most of what I can add is context on the other sparrows, and the environment at the time the species was extant.

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And now something else. I just looked carefully through the two pages of Summers-Smith with most stuff about this species to see if I missed anything—and I did. Summers-Smith mentions that Tchernov attributed

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I'm not convinced "wild" as opposed to "commensal" is inappropriate; it's a term I often see in similar contexts (for example, in the house mouse and related species), and Tchernov (1984) also uses it for

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Hi Innotata, I'm some of french user who copies your job on sparrows, you konow ? =D That's pretty impressive, I hope you'll success to make a featured topic ! Thanks a lot for your corrections, regards,

1813:, a tropical, hot, humid climate). However, the birds he lists for the "Lower Acheulian" are different from those listed in his faunal lists (pp. 99–100). The only layer he calls "lower Acheulean" , 1200:

I've been reading around a bit on those fossil chipmunks. As should be expected, their classification hasn't quite kept up with that of the living species. That's why I included the list of Eurasian

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Many thanks for the welcome message and the getting-started links, innota. There's lots for me to learn but I hope to be able to contribute a few articles of my own to Knowledge (XXG) in due course.

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I think the first hook is inaccurate; Tchernov argued that it was related to the ancestor, not that it was the ancestor. The second one is pretty standard for poorly known fossils, but not too bad.

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Can you add what there is in Tchernov's papers? I have borrowed Johnston and Klitz from a library for a few weeks, but I'd like to start adding things after you've added what is immediately above. —

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I feel sorry for the US football team - they played well, especially in the last minutes. Nevertheless Ghana won well-earned - they were the better team in most parts of the game. Cheers --

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The welcome was just a pre-formatted message (typed as {{subst:welcomemenu}}), but I found it useful too. We always could use editors who just fix typos: thanks for your contributions! —

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Personally I prefer linking at the , but I recognise that the consensus is that both are OK. However, I don't see how the references to the articles on the Stuarts should affect this. —

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On p. 121, Tchernov argues that the birds of the "Lower Acheulian" layers of Mugharet-Oumm-Qatafa are indicative of a Mediterranean, but somewhat more rainy climate (not, as alleged by

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wasn't erected until 1996). Would you mind if I undid your actions? This will also help ensure that the date categories are only filled with species, rather than a mixture of ranks. --

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template in the external links section. To link to wikisource in the text, when appropriate, you use a wikilink with the prefix s:, similar to commons: or meta:, for instance ] gives

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Free images should always be uploaded to the Commons. In this case, an example of a benefit is that these images can be categorised there with other graphics about Knowledge (XXG). —

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I'll be able to get it; will see what he has to say. Reading the Acheulo-Yabrudian complex a little more closely, it appears Summers-Smith is right; the AYC postdates the Acheulean.

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I ought to clarify my opinion a bit. First, I've seen the taxonomy using three species quite often. As for comments on pages and the navbox, I was referring to pages updated for the

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That about Tchernov explains a lot. I'll start adding stuff, and reorganising the article probably. What's the "Domestic Sparrow" thing in what's now the "Relationships" section? —

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species examined, but does not entirely agree with it." and no more. (For my part, I don't see why he assigned the tarsometatarsus and humerus from the same layer that yielded

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is probably valid, and not even a true chipmunk. There are probably true chipmunks since the late Miocene in North America, but I haven't found out what species those are.

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Good; go ahead. Looking at the molecular trees, it seems a sensible decision, as the differences among the three chipmunk genera look as large as those among the genera of

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Yes, I've just been watching that game; it was good, but I'm not extremely partisan. Many of my friends cheered for Ghana, and my favourite team is the Netherlands. —

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sp.", as is done in some other papers (perhaps more recent, but what was Mourer-Chauvire's specimen dated to?) Of course, we must follow all the oddities of authors.

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was around about 350 000 years ago. Anderson has more from Johnston and Klitz, and I expect there are some relevant things in both books I haven't found yet, since

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pages (I've almost finished a navbox), but I plan try to create all the pages as stubs at the same time, and update the species, before expanding the articles. —

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I don't either. Summers-Smith gives the Yabrudian as being somewhat more recent than the Acheulean; if we now know otherwise, this will be rather complicated. —

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I did find Mourer-Chauvire (it had actually been published in a series at the University of Lyon) and added in a find that could not be attributed to either

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from a binomial title to a genus title. I had deliberately put it on the binomial redirect, because it is the binomen which was published in 1975 (the genus

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you recently edited linking Charles Hart using the instead of the the name. Although various views about the or "name" subject has been under discussion

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article: just trim it a little bit here and there; for example, the subspecies certainly won't belong on that page (if they ever belong on genus pages). —

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I think I've added everything of substance now. We may wish to insert some of the comparative measurements given by Markus; they're in my talk archive.

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has now been rolled out; I've modified my plans: I'll update ground squirrel species next, then chipmunks, and then add ground squirrel genera stubs. —

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The statement about "others" was meant as a summary of the opinions of Markus, Johnston and Klitz, and Summers-Smith, but perhaps it's not a fair one.

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Glad you got it sorted. I've been out of work for ages due to a nasty medical problem, so I haven't really been able to do anything useful lately.

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Are you sure you've got everything? Does Tchernov mention habitat? Could we cite another paper about the fauna of the cave for suchlike? I think

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least my signature isn't showing up for me, so luckily I finally discovered the signature button that you mentioned for my second edit.

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of Florida), and many samples that can't be identified beyond "chipmunk". Someone proposed placing those two species in their own genus,

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She doesn't specify the bones found there, but it is possible that they were sufficient to distinguish the animal from other candidate

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is unlikely to be used anywhere else but the Signpost discussion page, as currently. I created three graphs for the same usage.

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I've seen this a lot, I think we probably should use it if Musser has "given it some weight". I still haven't rolled out new

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if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the

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Thank you so very much for the kind welcome. I'll take your advice and find a project or someone to work with very soon.

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Collaborations? I probably wouldn't participate in one; even the bird project is having a hard time getting them started., —

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has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath

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for now. I'll make the pages starting tomorrow. I haven't managed to get Musser's paper off the AMNH website, though.

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Since I don't know how Knowledge (XXG)-related charts are categorised on Commons, I've tagged the other images with

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I suppose this page can be moved now; any remaining issues probably can be addressed with the good article review. —

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You're absolutely right, I will put the French translation in brackets, unless I find the right expression. Laters,

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the "relict ground squirrel"; with such confused common names, we'd better use the unambiguous scientific names.

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can not be distinguished by bones, so he concludes that we can only infer from the fossils that a precursor of

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that Tchernov described in the same paper from an "undetermined Acheulean layer". Then more things about early

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That last link is interesting; it mentions remains from France that could not be attributed with certainty to

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should clarify that House Sparrows have a commensal relationship with humans, maybe that will be enough. --—

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I don't mind; I have lots of things to do here and at Wikisource; Thanks for helping with these articles. —

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to address the issue the closer the DNB gets to completion. Thanks for your thoughts and prompt response.

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and about 0.25 to 0.15 Ma. But there are older records of the House Sparrow in France, from zone MNQ 22 (

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and his colleagues. Apart from revising the Sulawesi squirrels and moving some genera around in the

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revision only. However, once I look at the paper, I will probably include the chipmunk revision. —

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to the Siberian (well, perhaps not quite—there are some fossil species) and create a new article

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Etian Tchernov, by the way, sure could have an article (he's probably best known for describing

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I just got Tchernov 1984. He mostly reiterates what the said in 1962, but does indeed say that

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I've fixed the error from editing it shorter at the nomination. Agreed, on the second hook. —

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What exactly does Mourer-Chauvire say? I would expect such a specimen would be described as "

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OK. I won't be able to make scans, though. Perhaps we can just create the article together?

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OK, I'll start writing tomorrow when I have Tchernov's paper again. Shall we aim for a GA?

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I will have another look Monday; I don't think there was much. He did also describe other

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I'll make those alterations; I was mostly sticking to the two navboxes it will replace. —

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as close to the ancestor of the House Sparrow is needed—would these brief mentions do—

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I don't care much about this, but what you want to doesn't make any sense. The animal

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is from the Yabrudian, about 140,000 years ago. By the way, could you have a look at

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and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

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I wonder if that is because the 22–24 issues are larger; the editor at the time,

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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A suitable DYK hook? No, perhaps something about the association with humans … —

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Here's what sparrow books say: Summers-Smith says Tchernov described the other

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I don't have much to say. I already noticed the difference in Summers-Smith. —

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was indeed described in 1975—the page isn't about the genus, but the animal. —

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as another possibility (because of a misunderstanding of the literature that

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from Israel is from zone MNQ 24, which according to its original definition (

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to the Yabrudian layers of Oumm-Qatafa in a contribution to a 1984 volume of

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It's in mainspace and at GAN now. Can you think of a suitable DYK hook?

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I'll have a look. I'll try to sort whatever fossil chipmunks there are.

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with certainty. The Nuttall book on Pleistocene Palearctic birds says

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from the Pliocene of Poland, for example). In North America, there is

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needs to be split: Helgen, MSW3, and the IUCN split this species into

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The paper is very large, but you should eventually be able to get it.

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I don't think it's because of the file size - do not know why either.

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Okay, I see it there under the Commons box. Thanks Innotata. Cheers

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Yes: "Commensal animals and human sedentism in the Middle East" in

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That doesn't sound too promising. Do you have access to the book?

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I just (by chance) found that we have the original description of

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I'm sure we'll be able to get more information than there is on

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That's a good idea, here. I'll start it as one of your pages. —

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Left a note for you, at your Wikisource talk page. Cheers, --

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Making this a GA seems crazy. But if I want to make all the

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Done. Helgen et al. and MSW 3 actually use Tien Shan GS for

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is rather close to what I expect the article can be like.

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Redirects should work (see this example image). Cheers --

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both in the collection of the Zool. Dept., Hebrew Univ."

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Thanks for the note and the work regarding Grinnell and

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and wanted to let you know that per the request on the

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system. I'm not sure redirects would work with this. —

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What exactly are you thinking of? The article has the

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Thank you, 523:and look forward to your replies. Thank you, 146:DYK nomination of Black-throated Gray Warbler 8: 1701:Do you know the full citation? From reading 1387:Tchernov, 1962, here. Do you still need it? 1277:Found some better sources, and it turns out 912:was just published on Sulawesi squirrels by 2199:was first seen as the wild ancestor of the 1477:articles GAs or FAs, this will be needed. — 2203:, but instead both may have occurred with 2060:I wonder why Mourer-Chauvire singled out 1874:WT:TOL#Disambiguator for monotypic genera 862:In for another squirrel reclassification? 208:was updated with a fact from the article 2380:Hi Innotata, A few thoughts of the page 1656:? From some snippets of the description 896: 888: 877: 865: 787: 511:Hello Innotata. 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