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I don't think you're quite right here. There were reliable sources, and they were verifiable. The issue was with notability, and many people (myself included) feel that a state highway is notable because it's a state highway. While I disagree with you, I believe you and some of the other "delete"
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process to try and work out with the people in the Roads project just what makes a certain road notable and what doesn't. Just my two cents...I don't want to see this get ugly. (for the record, there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting other people who share your opinion to offer their support
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Geoffrey's characters, like Cassivallaunus or Carausius, are historical characters with legends added. Arvirargus is a legendary character with a story partly based on a historical figure, Caratacus, and a name stolen from Juvenal. Others, like Dunvallo Molmutius and
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Could you please explain to me your reasoning for having "Half Life (3 album) and two other albums" deleted? I wouldn't be bothering you if the discussion links provided weren't red links. Regards,
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