514:"Maximum info" has limits. An article like United Nations can't possibly contain all the relevant information available on its subject. The main article on any subject is intended to stand alone and serve as a fairly consise general introduction. "See main article:X" is used to direct a reader to more information, but only if the reader is interested in that particular subtopic. We don't expect that most readers will actually read all the spin-off articles, and that's fine. Don't forget that Knowledge (XXG) is intended for everyone. As much as possible, physicists and auto mechanics should be able to read articles on history and art, while artists and historians should be able to read articles on cars and physics. We often fail to reach that lofty goal (many of our mathematics articles are opaque even to math students) but we do try. Featured articles in particular are expected to reach a general audience, since we'd like to put them on the Main Page for all to see. Like I said, I'll try to do some smoothing myself, and definitely do try the Peer Review people. Isomorphic 20:24, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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you have no proof that is the case and ii) when it is untrue, as is the case. Be aware, too, that even when what you assert is true, if does harm to someone's reputation or ability to make a living, it remains subject to libel law. If you have any doubts about this, you best confer with your recent dinner partner, Jimbo Wales, who is well aware of the potential dangers, here, especially given the financial status of
Knowledge (XXG). Fora such as these do not give people license to say anything they want about other people. I suggest you edit your exuberant and unfounded remarks, and that you get control over your obsession with my contributions. Criticize them, call them unworthy, unimportant, or minor, but do not impugn the integrity of uninvolved parties who are not hiding behind the veil of anonymity. These Javert-like tendencies, also evident in the Church matter, will get you and, unfortunately, others, including Knowledge (XXG) itself, into trouble.
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root of my interest. I don't disagree that he is minor, but he has come up with ideas that are provocative. I am a disabled physician with too much time on his hands. I am going to delve into other areas, now, perhaps the philosophy of science. I, too, like economics...tried my hand at libertarianism (I am not one, but I am interested in it), but people are too passionate about their beliefs, there. All the best to you.
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of separate articles ("Khazar history", "Khazar religion", etc.) but it seemed too disjointed and incohesive. I feel that the separate articles would be too short to be of any use. That said, you have more experience with these issues than I and I look forward to seeing what changes you make to the article.--
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of the 'Talk pages' page (they exist for both articles and user pages, they're where discussion takes place, they're the only place you add your sig., and 'new comments to the bottom') could probably be boiled down to a single paragraph that could be moved to some other page. This discussion has also
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Thank you. And, actually, I should like to be friends. After reading a great deal of your stuff and seeing your picture, I knew you were a kind and earnest person, and that you take
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Your point about organization is well taken. For me, I prefer an article to have maximum info organized as efficiently as possible. I really dislike having to link to different articles (i.e. "See Main
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I know, therefore, by definition, the editting is your job! Logic must be my forte, I should have been a philosopher! Anyway, hope you are doing well for yourself, and hope to talk to you soon. Send me an email or something im on the umsps listserve.
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Hi. I am thinking April 30/May 1 would be a good weekend for me. Would that be good for you? If so, I think the first thing to do would be to pick a place for people to stay. Are there any cheap motels you can think of?
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