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Magazine. The Winter 2015 article does not state the Wing conducts "intelligence operations" in non sanctioned international military missions. 5. You removed the citation required tag for "The Army Ranger Wing Intelligence Section has the ability to remotely intercept electronic and telephonic communications, working with the Directorate of Military Intelligence (G2) and Army CIS." Without providing an explanation. You provided a citation to a Sept 1999 article in the Irish Times that states they are skilled in "electronic surveillance". It does not state they work with Military Intelligence or CIS. Nor does it state they have the ability to intercept electronic or telephonic communications. 6. You removed "Selection courses run on an annual and bi-annual basis as required". Without proving an explanation. 7. You added in Selection and training "Usually 40 to 80 candidates attempt selection annually." from a dubious website
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service, I haven't seen that in other special forces unit articles that also work with intelligence, not sure of the relevance. Counter terrorism is hostage rescue and close personal protection is a skill that can derive from counter terrorism. In the roles, there was a lot added that was not in the source from the official ARW so I removed such as type of counter terrorist training which is a given for a counter terrorist unit. Not sure why there is "communications" in command and control it is more equipment. Training and recruitment - I removed the old information that related to the previous selection course whilst keeping the citations so that a person can still read it. Information could go back into, if a citation was provided. I removed information without a citation. I found newer information on
Facebook for the new SOFQ. I could not find any information on "Hostile Environment (RTÉ One)". RTÉ Television - so I removed. In equipment, I found a lot of the citations were wrong and there was no reference to that specific equipment on a webpage. I updated the sniper rifle and added new watercraft. --
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Privates (and equivalents) who are successful in completing the SOFQ course pass out at the rank of Corporal, other ranks retain their rank". Without providing an explanation. You added a citation to for the August 2007 magazine which does not state this. Also, you added "and the lowest commissioned rank in the unit is that of Captain" that is not relevant to completion of training. 10. East Timor you changed the size of the platoon from 30 to 40. Without providing an explanation. The number of rangers deployed was 30 and there was an additional 10 not rangers - some based in Darwin and some based in Dili not with the NZ Battalion - you have reverted my change to 30 now several times. --
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