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Thanks! Glad to see my art inspiring so many people even after all these years. I've been meaning to replace it with a better one. Which, if you take a look on my wiki page, you can see I'm capable of doing. However sadly my computer is not. Something that I hope to rectify soon.
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Since one side of the Moon always points towards the Earth the Sun would be the only source for tides on the moon so they may not be more intense, but you may be right. I'll have to do the math. Thanks for pointing that out I didn't even consider tides.
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I think it's good that people like this image. I have seen it in a lot of places and people seem to have a fascination with it. Although I always thought this was actually
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I came across your terraformed Moon photo series of changes and I wanted to mention to you that I believe you have lost some realism in the process of improving the image.
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