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new theories is labelled as blind fundamentalism. The current theories may explain the evidence in a manner which is satisfactory to most scientists and indeed, many Baha'is may find the explanations reasonable. But is it not still possible that these theories are wrong? The basis of many proofs is the idea that humans and animals are similar. Genetically speaking, our dna is quite close to chimpanzees and other primates. Consequently, the argument is made that humans and chimpanzees must be related. How else could they resemble one another in their genetic structure? Okay, that is the current scientific explanation. But the Baha'i Teachings offer another perspective. In the Baha'i Teachings, there are several spiritual levels of existence: plants, animals, humans, the Spirit of Faith and the Holy Spirit. There are also several kingdoms: mineral, plant, animal and human. According to 'Abdu'l-Baha, creatures within these kingdoms can progress through many levels until they reach the highest degrees possible within that kingdom. However, they can never cross over to another kingdom and continue their progression. They can only progress endlessly within their own kingdom. Each of these kingdoms is a higher level than the previous. So, plants incorporate minerals into their plant bodies, but they are not "descended" from minerals, nor are the minerals contained within them evolving into plants.

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are closer to the animal kingdom relative to other plants. Likewise, within the animal kingdom there are animals which are very simple, such as slugs, and animals with higher degrees of intelligence, such as primates. Primates are the perhaps the highest level of existence within the animal kingdom, but it is impossible for primates to step out of that kingdom and evolve into human beings. They simply represent the highest forms within their kingdom, and are thus closer to humans in their physical nature than to slugs. But both slugs and primates are members of one kingdom. Because humans are the highest forms of physical existence, and all forms of existence are striving towards greater levels of perfection, it is not surprising that primates should resemble humans in certain respects, because they have reached some of the highest levels of existence within the animal kingdom.

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humans could have come to earth in the past and "seeded" earth with the various levels of proto-lifeforms: proto-plants, proto-animals and proto-humans, each of which are unrelated. Another explanation is that sentient extraterrestrial humans introduced an early form of earth human, adapted from their own genetic material and suited to the conditions of earth life. Another explanation, is that early forms of humans developed on earth, either as a result of separate evolution from a separate primordial microbe, as already mentioned, or from panspermia, and at a certain stage of our evolution, alien humans created an a terran-extraterrestrial hybrid species. This is an "Annunaki"-type explanation, favoured by some people, but regarded as a crank explanation by most scientists.

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for learned men; it is the civilizer of mankind, the discoverer of the secrets of nature, and the enlightener of the horizons of the world. Consequently, how can it be said to oppose knowledge? God forbid! Nay, for God, knowledge is the most glorious gift of man and the most noble of human perfections. To oppose knowledge is ignorant, and he who detests knowledge and science is not a man, but rather an animal without intelligence. For knowledge is light, life, felicity, perfection, beauty and the means of approaching the Threshold of Unity. It is the honor and glory of the world of humanity, and the greatest bounty of God. Knowledge is identical with guidance, and ignorance is real error. (`Abdu'l-Baha,

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subject to the the laws of nature. As a result of this, they can come up with arguments against the existence of God. Baha'is however, believe that there are many worlds of existence, and the physical is just one of them. Also, Baha'is believe that other worlds of existence, such as the spiritual world (hence the frequently mentioned "spiritual forces at work" in the Writings), can influence the physical world, something which science can neither prove nor deny. God, in His reality, exists in a world of His own, inaccessible to His creation. He is thus beyond time, causality and the laws of nature. In this sense, it is impossible for any argument to be raised against the existence of God.

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model need to, among other things, explain the hardware and the operating system (taking that the model is an application making use of and being influenced by system constraints including the ontologies behind the system). I understand about the unknowability of God, etc. (see 4th through 7th and the 4th as being above language), yet we do not know our operational limits (and I would argue that the limit is far beyond what we can imagine at this time). We push these all the time. One role that will be crucial for the Faith, IMHO, is helping establish a framework for 'ethical/moral' evaluation of inductive/abductive expansions.

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resolve this thusly: First of all, we must be prepared to accept with all humility that we do not have absolute explanations for the origin of life on earth at this stage. There are many possibilities, but these are all possibilities, not absolute answers. The Baha'i teachings say that the origin of life is one, but they also say the origin of "everything" is one, in other words God. Contextually speaking, I don't think the Writings say everything is biologically related. I believe there is more scriptural evidence to the contrary.

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surprising that each of these developed a genetic structure and had similirities resulting from a directed evolutionary plan of God. Science does not accept this kind of idea because it believes evolution is random, so it is very unlikely that a random process would produce separate lines of evolution, all of which had similar genetic codes. If evolution ISN'T random, as the Baha'i Teachings confirm, then it is quite possible for this kind of so-called "coincidence" to occur.

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greater explanations may exist. However, most of the above explanations require a belief in God and, in particular, the Baha'i Writings. This is why I believe that a new type of science will emerge when Baha'i scientists become numerous. They will break the paradigms of previous scientists and offer explanations based on Baha'i teachings and evidence, rather than just blindly relying on their own human intellect, which can be flawed.

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greater levels of perfection and are mirroring forth more of God's attributes than their fellow creatures, will resemble humans more than others. Despite this similarity, according to 'Abdu'l-Baha, there is no biological relationship between human beings and the great apes. It is not possible for creatures from one kingdom to evolve into creatures from another kingdom.

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universe. The existence of extraterrestrial life is a Baha'i teaching. In that case, many possibilites arise. One for instance, is that animal life developed natively on earth, and proto-human microbes were introduced at another time from an interstellar object, such as an asteroid. All of this remains within the realms of possibility.

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links" section altogether would be the best idea. Usually it would be too difficult to decide who needs mentioning and who doesn't, since every company that finds the page feels for some reason or another that they deserve to be mentioned. In other cases some work has actually been done to maintain an appropriate list.

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Another explanation, accepted by many scientific theorists, is panspermia. Life originated somewhere else in the universe, and was carried by interstellar objects to earth and other planets. The Baha'i Writings neither confirm nor deny this, but they DO point out that life does exist elsewhere in the

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Animals possess many similarities with plants, but are not descended from plants. They have a genetic structure, which is coded into all life-forms, just like plants. But that does not mean that animals derive from plants. Nevertheless, there are plants with higher sensibilities than other plants and

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Wow, some insightful comments above. Perhaps one of the handicaps of atheistic scientists is that they believe there is only one world of existence (i.e. the physical universe). Consequently, they believe God must be a part of that universe (a being composed either or matter or energy) and therefore

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And when Thou didst purpose to make Thyself known unto men, Thou didst successively reveal the Manifestations of Thy Cause, and ordained each to be a sign of Thy Revelation among Thy people, and the Day-Spring of Thine invisible Self amidst Thy creatures, until the time when, as decreed by Thee, all

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If I'm reading this right the "Blind Watchmaker" thesis posits that natural selection works just fine all by itself, so we don't need a creator. Dawkins is quoted in the thus: "a deity capable of engineering all the organised complexity in the world, either instantaneously or by guiding evolution,

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page, I appreciate that you are interested in working on a useful commercial players section. My intention in removal of the section was not to exclude mention of any commercial players as it may have seemed to you, but to prevent the spam that had been growing rapidly on that page and many others.

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Unfortunately, the mania associated with the current wave crest of AI shows imminent crash (unknown timeframe). At which point, perhaps, we can improve for the next go-around. Not that what's being demonstrated isn't remarkable. After all, it is 2022. Computing is 50 years old or so. The mathematics

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Coming onto the theme of evolution, I believe that science's knowledge of this matter is still in its infancy. I believe that scientists do not approach their field with necessary humility. Whenever a number of facts are discovered, theories are created which are set in stone. All opposition to the

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The question that probably bothers some Baha'is is that this destroys the whole explanation which science gives for the origin of life on earth. If creatures from one kingdom cannot cross over into another kingdom, then life cannot have evolved from a single random mixing in the primordial pool. I

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The Papal See has constantly opposed knowledge; even in Europe it is admitted that religion is the opponent of science, and that science is the destroyer of the foundations of religion. While the religion of God is the promoter of truth, the founder of science and knowledge, it is full of goodwill

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Nicholas asks the question of what changes would we see with an accumulation of a 'critical' mix of those working in the sciences from a Baha'i perspective. For one, mechanisms for 'meta' influence would need to be comprehended by the insight for engineering (the obvious question would be how to

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Appreciate the response. I mentioned Lamark in that he suggested that the environment influenced evolution (we ought to ask how this might be, that is, the play of the Kingdom on the physical). As well, those taking the extreme materialistic bent and arguing from what we might see with a computer

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A third explanation, is this: The Baha'i Faith teaches that there have always been human beings, somewhere at some time. There are sentient beings on other planets somewhere, and the universe is infinite both in age and size. This raises several possibilities. A sentient race of extraterrestrial

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page by checking the contributions of a spam IP address (that was adding www.workflow-saperion.com to many pages). While in a list of companies or products with no other information, such as was on the page, is sure to contain some valid items, the number of pointless additions is too great and

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To give you a bit of history, I have been monitoring many project management pages for quite some time, because they are a magnet for spam from (often equally useless) software companies. In some cases, other editors and I have come to the agreement that getting rid of a "Vendors" or "External

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Also, there may be many things related to evolution of which we are not currently aware, and may not be aware of for ages to come. My point is, we know so little, yet we assume so much. The current scientific theory is set in stone by theorists lacking in the humility to realize that other and

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My point is, all beings are mirroring forth God's attributes, and the more a creature develops within its own kingdom, the more it will mirror forth those attributes. Within the physical world, humans are the highest level of existence, so animals within their own kingdom, who have reached the

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One of Monet's paintings would be hard pressed to know for sure if Monet himself was tall or short, overweight or not, or even which hand he preferred. But it could tell you right off whether he preferred oil to pastel, favored brush techniques, whether he sketched beforhand or worked on blank

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Is that list ordered from most important to least important, or from least important to most important? Also, I can't really beef it up myself (other than by adding completely separate paragraphs about new material) because I really don't understand what you were trying to say in the existing

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One possible explanation, if we want to accept the concept of a primordial pool, is that life evolved several times in those ancient pools, producing proto-plants, proto-animals and proto-humans, each separately existing. Because evolution is a guided process and not a random one, it is not

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exploring the complexity of systems subject to natural selection are very interesting. However, both scientists and religionists must bear in mind the inherent limitations of their approach and appreciate the unique strengths of the other's approach. Thanks for the interest. Cheers,

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Thy previous Revelations culminated in Him Whom Thou hast appointed as the Lord of all who are in the heaven of revelation and the kingdom of creation, Him Whom Thou hast established as the Sovereign Lord of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth. (Baha'u'llah,

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schemes (essentially, using the computer to expand generations while evaluating members according to stated criteria). This is one of many examples. One step would be to get an agreement on Creation (that statement opens me up to ridicule unbounded).

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So when people use teleology, at times, to try to ascribe personality or motivation to the creator, to Baha'is, this is an exercise as likely to lead wide of the mark as denying the creator from a materialistic standpoint

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There may be a more proper forum for this discussion, however here are a few quotes related to the topics. There are so many. Perhaps one task would be to collect, categorize, and sort. Has this done?

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key, my use of American spelling, my verbose style, etc. It may induce my absolute refusal to use "txt msg splng"; but it won't know for sure. And it can't tell if I'm tall, short, and/or overweight.

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reliance on the genuine revelation from the creator. This is why `Abdul-Baha states emphatically that science and religion are complimentary and should be in harmony.

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However, for Baha'is there is a definite limit to inductive reasoning and teleology. That is that God is categorically and fundamentally unknowable by his creatures.

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Thank you. I agree that the section could be beefed up. Let me list material that discusses the situation. These are in order by importance, rather than date. --

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And to answer Dawkins from the beginning of this: You're looking in the wrong place. Positing that the creator of a system must exist within that system is

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That is to say that human beings are not, in and of themselves, capable of genuinely understanding their creator. Consider some models where

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has been on the shelf for a long time. What is missing is the overarching framework. Well, truth engineering can be proposed.

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This is where telology is of use. `Abdul-Baha basically reproduces variations of Aristotle's

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