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I don't know but it is strange that my user name is the only time you have chosen to get involved on wiki. As for not being able to access their site maybe it is a ban in your area I would email them. And as for voting on deletion you have only made yourself known after the deletion article came up
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I like toys alot. I go to wikipedia for everything. I saw the
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Don't know but they do watch the article but refuse to work on it as to not violate the Wiki terms. I work on the article as well as other articles on wiki because I like to report things I think have notablity. Are you planning to write any articles here on wiki or add anything to the
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I understand Friginator. But honestly making fun of a company trying hard to release a great toyline is not fun but very childish. They should all just hush up and wait and see. This is the final push if they don't see the light of day I move on, dissapointed but I move on. Some of these guys are
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I checked Shocker Toys and seems they have been deleted on wiki before by a bunch of people who signed up and didn't like them. Even though the had tons of resources stating they were a notable company. which means as a novice I wouldn't dare write an article about them as it would cause a huge
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Hi! It looks like you've been having a rather frustrating introduction to Knowledge (XXG), I'm afraid. Still, I've added most of what I have to the Shocker Toys article, and I'd be surprised if it continues to have notability concerns - at least three of them should be sufficient to satisfy
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I saw the page and added my apology for making the revert mistake. I will stay away for now and let the Admins handle the page. It seems the user ShockerHelp wanted this to happen and we fell into it. Thank you for the help I will wait and fix article after this has been
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I don't control them and have only spoken to the admins there if I need some info or have a questions. If they did ban you could be because they thought you were with that ShockerHelp guy who has been having edit wars left and right here. So what brought you here to
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So do you think that Shocker Toys banned me from looking at their site just because I asked a question about you, who isn't a part of the company? I haven't done anything else on wikipedia yet. How strange of them to do
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Hi, JMST. Thank you for the nice welcome to Knowledge (XXG) =) It's good to see you here to. Tell me know where I can help you out and we can stop all the haters and trolls from talking bad about Shocker Toys.
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tell who is here to hurt or to help with people abusing the system. So why don't you discuss what you think should be changed on the Shocker Toys article on the article talk page and we will work together on it?--
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predictions. If this was done it would be brought back to about three paragraphs, but would include as sources the Washington Post article you found and the Playthings article.
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I would like to start working on or creating new toy articles. If anyone has any suggestions please feel free to leave a comment/suggestion here.--
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