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adverse side-effect of saying that is it can leave some of us wondering exactly what you meant. The opening of the thread listed a long series of diffs, some of them mine, and accused them of being disruptive; I subsequently tried to explain that I'm quite sure that the content was not OR, and that the combined efforts of me and several other editors reflected something that was at least approaching consensus, rather than tag teaming or the like. You said, right after I had discussed my role with another editor, that you were concerned that civility can mask deeper issues. I'm reading between the lines that maybe you were arguing that the now-blocked editor actually had a valid point, that some (all?) of the editors in the diffs (including me? not including me?) were actually engaged in some sort of POV-pushing, going beyond the garden-variety differences of opinion between editors, and that it had been overlooked because we had mostly been civil about it, but that there should still be scrutiny that was failing to happen. I hope that you remember that I have said that I, too, am watching very carefully for anyone who displays signs of "shill" editing, and that I am opposed to it, if it actually happens. So I'd like to ask: did I understand the intent of your comment correctly? Do you have any issues with my edits here? Do you think that I misunderstand anything? Did you find my attempted explanation about OR unconvincing or incorrect? --
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is of value, and I agree that this article is being watched with near-obsessive interest. But here is the great thing, all edits are recorded and the history preserved. Consensus can change. With
Viriditas blocked, the MAM article is likely to be "scrubbed." I have a great respect for Viriditas that comes from years of interaction, and I think he was making points that deserved consideration. The larger issues are fascinating to me, including the very strong possibility that Monsanto has targeted the MAM article. It is only logical to assume this, given the PR value and Monsanto's power. If this is true, sooner or later a whistle blower may step forward. Clearly the confrontational and arguably uncivil methods Viriditas was using are dangerous, as his three-month block shows. But the issues are much much bigger than this one article. The main Monasanto article, the GMO controversies article where I see you are active, the Glyphosate article where I made two edits that drew reverting, and hundreds if not thousands of others, are places where slant and information inclusion are debatable. I continue to mull over the direction I should take, but I was encouraged by a statement made by Jimmy Wales at the recent Wikimania. My comment to that is at
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have done very little editing in this field, but have started a bit of research. The post just above shows that I recently twice attempted to pull a sentence out of a
Monsanto-related article, a sentence I felt was clearly unencyclopedic and slanted the article with undue weight as presented. I feel the results are of interest, though hardly conclusive. To make claims that a Knowledge (XXG) editor is POV-pushing is serious, and to say multiple editors are is obviously dangerous. Aside from his demeanor, Viriditas was fighting hard to make some points. I have known him as a Wikipedian for years, and have tended to respect him on the issues. Now that he is tarnished goods, many editors may dismiss him and move on, but as I say I'd like to cautiously discuss the actual issues with him on his Talk page, assuming he can do so in a civil manner. In my view, further research is needed. Thanks for caring about my concerns, and best wishes.
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COI talk page PR rep (all very wiki legal). This hit the media and wound up on Jimbo's page. It came out during those discussions (or maybe it was on related talk pages at the time, probably SlimVirgin's) that there is a group called CREWE setup to aid company's PR departments to influence their pages on wiki. They organize through a
Facebook page that has over 400 members - composed of wiki editors hip to the idea of spreading PR for some odd reason ($ ?). This needs to sink in deeply with every editor interested in saving the project from corporate propaganda. Even with this exposed, and one editor admitting to working for that group, the overall consensus, including Jimmy's, was that this is a good thing for the wiki, resulting in more accurate articles. (Do an Internet search for "CREWE, Knowledge (XXG)"; I believe the article about this group is on "Motherboard"). Thank you for being.
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without offering rationales - or simply by saying that we shouldn't add names now that we're trying to cut down - yet you vote to keep
American names like Joan BAez on the list (who is neither known as a musician or a composer but as Bob Dylan's one time girl friend), you even vote to keep even Les paul who is not even known as a folk/Country artist but as an instrument maker. Now I want to ask you: Do you really think that it is possible that there isn't a single artist or folk music tradition from outside of the US that is vital? Who would you add if you had to add one or two folk artists from outside of the US? And finally don't you consider it to be the case that non-Western or non-US musical traditions should expect some kind of representation? I simply don't understand why people are opposed to globalizing the music section. Especially not the folk section. I don't get it.
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so much, this is just an encyclopedia, and we are all just sharing a bit of our free time to help bring info to the People. If editors are entangled in a bunch of BS instead of being allowed to edit as normal, they are going to get upset. We are human beings. I WILL speak my mind and no one has a right to ask me to shut up or to not share articles and information. I won't be intimidated. And seriously, who in the world has time for all these noticeboards and talk page therapy sessions? I mean, i have two jobs, a life to run, and a bit of time in the evenings, sometimes more sometimes much less... So interference with my good faith, good editing is not going to be met with kisses and hugs. I am a human being and I am not interested in dealing with bullshit. That's all there is to it.
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from said group, this group is using cherry-picking, OR and SYNTH with completely straight faces, and i am the only one speaking out, and trying to fix it. It is too much for me, and i don't have the time to edit this page towards NPOV any more. We are stuck trying to get the basic facts on the page, while we are not allowed to add any references about protesters and researchers who question GMOs, but a list of 5 "GMOs are super safe for sure" refs to unrelated websites sits high on the page. I think the violations of the guidelines are very obvious, and since this movement is not a convoluted story, this could be handed over to ArbCom for a quick fix. I guess this is me, begging you or anyone out there, to please help get this article to ArbCom. Thank you very much.
3585:, is disgusting. "And when you take the big picture POV, this appears to have been coordinated by what can only be described as the "fringe cabal", a group of editors who target articles they believe pose a challenge to mainstream science and/or the supporting corporatist-scientific complex. Within this group of editors you have certain personalities who almost seem to be role playing: one plays the hardline extremist who refuses to compromise, the other plays the good cop, while another plays the bad cop, still another plays the curious academic and another plays the GMO proponent." He is thinking of specific people there, and I am likely one of them, as he has accused me directly before. It is ugly. Ugly. And has consequences. There are editors like
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Nevertheless, and at some risk to my working relationships with both of you, I must say that both of you are quickly approaching the threshold of
Churchill's definition. It won't be as a result of anything I do, but the two of you are both at risk of being blocked or topic-banned for uncivil and disruptive editing behaviors. When the banhammer falls, it rarely distinguishes between who started it, and who was more responsible than whom. I know I'm not the first third-party to mention this problem to the two of you, so please do yourselves a favor and spend the next week doing your best to kill each other with civility and kindness. Otherwise some passing admin is likely to give you both a timeout. Seriously.
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in fact, asked MM in my second edit summary to take it to the Talk page. Again, that is twice that I edited the article, in total. When MM, instead of discussing as I had requested, merely reverted me again, I was done, but shortly afterward editor II reverted. At that point an admin came in and, in my view, over-reacted by closing the article to all editing for three days or so. I know none of these editors including the admin, and had never edited the article previously. Again, I reject your characterization of my two edits as part of an "edit war" that I "conducted." Your invitation is noted, and I will give it my consideration.
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garden-variety of canvassing about specific article content. I am not even editing or watching the MaM article, as I already was fed up with
Viriditas' behavior there. In any case, informing these users that their behavior is outside guidelines is not intimidation - it is fair warning. The next time the behavior happens - if it happens again - I am indeed going to start an ANI. I really have had it. There are appropriate ways to deal with perceived COI and going around on user Talk pages and article Talk pages and making these accusations is not among those ways. I tell you -
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that Baez broke ground for, and help popularize, Dylan. Baez was and is a huge symbol of the peace movement, so much so that popular cartoonist Al Capp caricatured her as "Joanie
Phoanie" over her views. Vital? Fits my definition. Fairport Convention, not so much, despite their long history and discography, and though I rarely discuss my personal life here, just so you know I did go so far as to ask my girlfriend, who is not American, if she had ever heard of FC. She had not. As for Les Paul... dude, read the history of the guy. He arguably
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format of an edit note pretty much demands declarative statements - it is not a format for discussion and reaching consensus - hence yes, limiting 'discussion' to edit notes generally means talking past one another instead of to each other; that was my read of what happened. But this is not a huge deal - the admin stepped in and shut this down before anybody broke 3RR, and I am not accusing you of any violation of policy or pillar (nobody crossed
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edits I made to the VA/E pages since then, I feel they're not only hard to argue with, but they keep the list right-sized. When regions is cut to 100 and some of the other proposals made in the last few weeks come to fruition, we will be pretty close to being around 10,000 articles. Maybe even under. Just because I don't support every single removal doesn't mean I don't support getting it back to 10,000. I just want it to be the
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infoboxes or the lack thereof, but the vicious bullying offends me deeply, and I will be looking into this group in the future, as someone who sees civility as a core value to be taken seriously, which is why I assume it is one of the Five
Pillars. Hopefully I raised enough dust to put this problem on the map. Thanks again for your note, which further confirms my impression of this problematic group of editors.
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me being appearing to be "spoiling for a fight," I suppose it does appear that way, but it's a natural and appropriate response to being repeatedly and quite rudely (in my view) accused by multiple editors of acting in bad faith. I value civil debate and I hope more you're not the only editor who will engage in it. I, personally, am trying my hardest despite the baiting by some. --
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said you should be "banned for life" but I'm not really understanding her reasoning other than the fact that she was acting like a clueless newbie. Can you give me some insight on her behavior (conduct) on the article when she interacted with you and tell me if there is any relationship to the Tea Party movement set of articles she is currently working on? Thanks.
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problem editors. The terrible irony of all this is that I actually agree with some of the positions taken by HiLo, but vehemently disagree with his extremely harsh polemics. In an era where the WMF is expressing increasing concerns about the editing climate being overly confrontational for women and those not schooled in conflict, I believe the community
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ally. You have not engaged in that behavior that I have ever seen. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I did play off your name, saying that there are no facts to support these allegations with respect to me, and I have said explicitly on more than one occasion that I have no relationship with
Monsanto or any of the other ag biotech companies. Their
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Fair enough. I appreciate your comments, and I thank you for coming here to clarify. My apologies if my manner appears uncivil, even in a backhanded fashion. I do feel that you could be discussed with in a calmer way by others on the talk page. Let's take a deep breath and move on. As it is two areas
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Petrarchan47, as we see
Knowledge (XXG) is under considerable pressure, as I see it, from forces that are interested in seeing information presented in the way that they want it perceived. How to safely identify such forces can be problematic, but it seems likely to me that they exist here. Your edit
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After a short Wiki-break I am a bit surprised to find a couple disputatious threads regarding the Monsanto article(s). I will study this all carefully but have nothing to say at the present moment, aside from the fact that I continue, as I have said for years, to feel that paid editing is something I
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An arts and cultural magazine, they'll have all the facts in there. Right? BP was not caught editing their own article, the editor disclosed he was working for BP, it's in his god damn name. Utter nonsense and misinformation. Be wary of the conspiratorial ideation that also plagues the global warming
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Hi there, JustDaFax (love the name), Glanced at your recent notes to Viriditas, about getting the creeps when considering certain observations, and I wanted to share something indeed creepy. BP was caught writing their own article, with 'independent' editors inserting the material for the resident BP
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I am working on Knowledge (XXG) to help the People too. You have no monopoly on wanting to do good. And yes it is another round of McCarthyism. Writ small, for sure. But the same ugly thing, here in our Wiki-world. Please speak your mind on CONTENT and leave me out of it. Otherwise, bring it
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I am attempting to engage Viriditas on his Talk page. I hold you blameless, if it matters, and Viriditas obviously blew it on his overall demeanor, which, given his block record, wasn't too sharp. As to the substance of his claims, I reserve judgment. I am unfamiliar with much of the controversy, and
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Again, I find a disturbing lack of clarity in your characterization. My two edit summaries clearly show that on my second of two edits, I directly asked MM not to revert again, but take it to the article talk page. Instead of doing so, he chose to revert again and mimic my comment back at me. You now
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intended. I was curious as to what type of user you were and found that you have made numerous contributions, been helpful to other users (evident on your talk page), but aren't an administrator. This made me consider the different reasons why you may not be administrator, which lead to my asking you
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The only reason I started taking an interest in the vital list was because of the fact that the list of folk and country musicians doesn't include a single non-American artist. All of the maneuvers I have tried to add any artist or folk tradition from outside of the US has been opposed by you, mostly
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I have been away nearly two weeks, and am trying to get back to speed. We have had our differences, to say the least, but as I have commented elsewhere, the deep irony is that I often agree with your views. The answer to your question is beyond me at the moment. ITN is a real mess though, in my view.
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After careful examination of the link you provide to ANI in September, 2009, it appears I was never informed of my name being discussed in such terms, so finding out what Malke2010 was up to in that era is a bit of a shock. I have reviewed my own talk archives as well as the Karl Rove talk page, but
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Hi. I was looking into materials related to the current arbcom case involving Malke 2010 when I noticed your name come up. Back in 2009, Malke was very angry at you after some kind of altercation on the Karl Rove article and she was eventually blocked for edit warring. Right after this happened she
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to "the perception that some may have, rightly or wrongly, that you have a hostile POV to Snowden" which strikes me as somewhat validating that perception, as well as being quite similar to, "Whatever you do don't think about a pink elephant!" I felt the need to counter that on the talk page. As for
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Welcome to Knowledge (XXG). The recent edit you made to the page Sole proprietorship has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the
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it is the initial bold editor, who, upon reversion, is supposed to stand down and bring the issue to Talk. That would be you, in this situation. I also wish the other two editors would have stood down and brought the issue to Talk - they didn't either. As for "talking past each other" - the brief
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I frankly take exception your use of the term "edit war" regarding my two edits. I saw a sentence that seemed way out of line as presented in the article lead, and deleted it on the grounds I cited in the edit summary. I was reverted by MM on what seemed to me thin reasoning, so I reverted back and,
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You correctly perceive my reservations. Some deaths that would have been blurbs now struggle to make an RD mention, others fall through the cracks. It seems to be about who cares enough to put a substantial update in the subject's article. I was against the RD concept, but in all candor it sometimes
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On the one hand, it is true that I nominated the article for deletion when it was in very poor shape. On the other hand, after four days, when it was a much better article, I requested early closure that so the AFD could be closed as a speedy keep. I am not trying to get the article deleted again,
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Obviously I'm not going to make any public fuss about this (hence this post), but I do have a question. While I've been away has there been any background discussion as to what constitutes a constructive post on ITN/C? I know that me pointing out what I thought were really crappy posts was one thing
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Thanks for the warning, but I got a clue from just one look at the J.S. Bach Talk page, which is why I filed my first-ever ANI report. For a number of reasons in the "real world" I decided to take a lengthy Wikibreak shortly afterwards. The funny thing here is I don't really care that much about the
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Note: i am very much not involved in any other articles that touch on the GMO issue, by design. I may have made a couple edits months ago, but not since or before. You might be thinking of someone else? Also, i made pretty cryptic remarks on Jimbo's page, do feel free to let me know if you think it
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This is too much for editors to deal with on their own, we have proven that. The very same group who edit warred for months, is the same group in charge of the article now - with the same problems and games. Wholesale reversions, especially right at the 3RR point, and i am told to go get permission
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In all seriousness... to freak out or try and squelch conversations is a giant red light. And that isn't an accusation, i've been holding my tongue on this one for sooooo long. Don't attack the people calling for transparency. Don't use tactics that shills are known to use. Chill out and don't care
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The beauty of the regional articles deletion concept was that it would get us down to, or close to, 10k articles on the list as it is supposed to be. That would reduce the amount of time needed to go through the seemingly endless deletion, swap or even add proposals. I'll take a look in a bit, as I
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chopping ~100 regions and still do, I merely oppose the first draft of the regions that are being kept because it needs work. And I don't know where you're getting the idea that I don't want to get the list down to 10,000. If you look at the proposals I've made since the first of the year and the
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My Knowledge (XXG) brutha, this list can never possibly satisfy everyone, and we have to accept that we will win some and lose some. When I feel there is an injustice, I have learned to just walk away for a while. Now, saying "Dylan's one time girlfriend" shows me you don't know or choose to ignore
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It appears to me that the discussion has degenerated to the point where other, more authoritative voices than mine will be needed here. I truly hope you can both cool it, as I believe you are both dedicated to Knowledge (XXG)'s best interests. As for me, I will back away from this mess and hope for
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No, I am not saying that you are calling me a paid editor!! I am sorry you misunderstood. It is hard to control tone in writing. I am saying that with no basis in fact, P has been canvassing around, calling me and others COI/paid editors -- including here on your page, and trying to make you an
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be because of the positions that P takes in these articles about environmental issues! But I am NOT going there. And neither should P. Otherwise it is wild McCarthyism - slapping people who disagree with you with a label so you can dismiss them. Just the facts indeed! No more of this personal
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as the discussion in the ANI made clear; your closure did not address that. Several editors, including me, said that they were driven off the page by his/her vitriol, and I think it would be useful if you addressed the original concern in your closing. Would you please reconsider the closing to
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I VERY MUCH thank all who have supported me in the recent measures to unblock this account, and wish to assert that I bear no ill will to those who in good conscience have opposed my presence here and elsewhere, in various ways and for various reasons, believing themselves to be supportive of what
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Your definition of Vital is to have been caricatured by Al Capp. That kinds of put the non-American world at a disadvantage. I don't know any folk musicians who could name a single song by Baez, and I move a lot in folk music circles in the US and Europe. Some of them might have heard one of her
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which in some ways made folk music as we know it possible. I prefer not to go into combat on my talk page, which is cluttered enough already, but I am responding here since I sense your concern, and also we are ITN editors. If you insist, please continue this back on the Vital list talk page, but
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where they took the most controversial material from Rove's career, then scrubbed out reliably sourced material or added in slanted material like the Moyers material. Virtually every edit there (look at the edit record) is designed to put a positive "spin" on Rove's years in the Bush White House.
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It appears I have gotten the directions mixed up, as I don't do this frequently enough to remember it. It already has one !vote for delete. By the way, I notified what seems to be the subject of the article on his talk page; all this started when I noticed the article's tags were removed by him.
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I suspect you're right that that editor's disruption is not over, especially judging by the pontificating that has been going on on that editor's talk page. We also learned new things about some of the more extreme commentators there. Apparently it's OK to dehumanize folks someone may disagree
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Not being an admin, I have never actually blocked anyone. A large moral responsibility to get it right! But I felt, as I noted in my comment, that the only alternative was to avoid pushing the problem to the next group of concerned Wikipedians, and I thank you for making the final call. I looked
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I believe that the overall discussion is now far better positioned for likely productive outcomes. Your participation regarding individual topics is solicited, to the extent you feel comfortable participating. The discussions still need more and a greater variety of voices. Yours would help.
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That would be regrettable, JDF. As we have discussed previously, the VA project needs a larger number and a greater variety of voices to make this a more valid exercise. If you're giving up, I may be inclined to do the same, because I have no interest in being caught in the crossfire of two or
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if you would like to work on it. If not, please let me know if you have any diffs of recent evidence I could add to it. My own experience with Malke2010 both in the past and present is similar to your own. She comes off as very nice and agreeable, but does not listen to the positions of other
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Eventually I was so disgusted with the way Malke2010 was editing that I found it easier to just walk away from the article rather than continue on dealing with someone I had a very bad feeling about. As your link clearly shows, my instinct was 100% correct. Malke2010's subsequent Knowledge (XXG)
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I'm glad that the latest ANI discussion has closed, and I just want to ask you about your last comment there, the one about there being much to ponder. With most users, I wouldn't bother to ask, but I'm asking here. You said very clearly that you weren't criticizing anyone in particular, but an
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Guys, Winston Churchill is purported to have said "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." I've worked productively on sports articles with PBP in the past, and recently I've come to respect Gabe's passion and contributions regarding the Vital Articles lists.
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needs more editors who have greater perspective and are well-read in multiple subject areas. I also support your suggestion of structuring the discussion as a rolling article-by-article RfC, with appropriate notices posted throughout Knowledge (XXG). In addition to more voices, the discussion
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My pleasure, and thanks for taking the original stand. The ANI thread that got HiLo topic banned, which I posted along with that comment, is a fine example of ANI actually working. Recently I have seen additional evidence of that, so I am much more encouraged than I once was regarding combative
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Again I apologize for the misunderstanding. Really. I have no desire to offend anybody -- I just want the attacks to stop already. I am sorry that you were dragged into this. Your actions have been totally appropriate with respect to your own approach - you have expressed concern about COI
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JDF, what is your reaction to the reorganizaed and reformatted VA/E talk page? I've reworked the top 65-70% of the talk page discussions, and plan to finish the remainder tonight. If you have any suggestions for improvement, I would like to incorporate them. My goal is to make it as simple,
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has been engaging in this behavior - going on the Talk pages of users he/she believes are sympathetic, and making these kinds of unfounded accusations against me and other editors - for quite some time, and I have had it with being bad-mouthed. That is one issue -- the other one is the more
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Thanks. I think that I may have seen one editor who showed up as an SPA and who might have been a "shill" (and not someone on that list of diffs, by the way), and I'm continuing to watch for that very closely ā but I really think that most of the users who might be targets of suspicion may be
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What drew me to comment at ANI was the similarity of Malke2010's approach to editing the Tea Party Movement article, which I have never edited and had never even read. I noticed the issue when it came up on ANI, ironically, and felt impelled to comment when two editors I have no history with,
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opinionated and sometimes stubborn, but that doesn't make for bad faith. If you come to think that there is something that I have failed to realize, please draw it to my attention. I'm watching the discussion on his talk with an open mind, and I appreciate the way that you framed it there. --
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First off, when you say "Then there are the now-open agenda-pushers pursuing their anti-American or recentism slants", what or whom are you referring to? And in regards to this whole slow-down thing, if we were to take the break you want, most of the people would never come back. I've been
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I don't get why you insist on equating me and Gabe. There's a difference, a BIG difference. Gabe continually claims that I know nothing or next to nothing about certain topics; I don't. Gabe personally attacks me in edit summaries and once called me a "Type-A control freak who can't get a
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Ah, I see I misread you. I read this as "drop by and comment" at Jimbo's talk, but you were suggesting to maybe list concerns in a new section for him. I'm not feeling like getting much more involved, and have really been trying pull away entirely from the matter. But I will ponder this...
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against many users' objections and has fought to control the debate through canvassing, cementing it within their own nonbinding policy, and generally bullying those who disagree with them. If you keep it up they may even try to ban you from discussing the issue, as they have tried with
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in many ways. Most of the folks commenting at the ANI discussion had no concept of the preventative nature of that particular indef block and the condition logged with it. The consensus there, however whacked it was, was in line with TParis' actions. If there was any doubt, the
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FWIW, Viriditas was right, especially about the very twisted and difficult to spot (understatement) web of role-playing. I appreciate that someone is looking into this and is willing to accept new information however uncomfortable it most likely will be. Thank you, JustDaFax.
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Hi GWH and thanks for your clarification note. My !vote was to oppose both in favor of Options 1, 2 and 3, as I had !voted above. The civility parole and interaction bans were attempts present alternatives to weaken sterner sanctions, which I feel are called for in this case.
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act quickly and decisively to make it clear to a relative handful of bad apples that their inflammatory rhetoric will no longer be tolerated, regardless of their contributions. By the way, thanks again for that barnstar you gave me a couple years ago; I value it highly!
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If Kalki is over it, what is your problem? As for not replying, AN is not on my watchlist, and your assumption I deliberately did not answer is what is despicable, in my view. By coming to my Talkpage, and insulting me about a necro-thread in such a fashion, you breach
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Sorry you object! It was an edit war by definition ("An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion."); it is true that nobody broke
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Petrarchan47, if you find a similar link about Monsanto instead of about BP, I'd really like to know about it. But if you (and Jusdafax) will let me give you a bit of sincere advice here, the best approach for you to take is to raise these issues at places like
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there, when I asked you to justify your position, but no, you never bothered to, and that was despicable, in my opinion. You think you can just make whatever comments you like, and never be held accountable. That needs to change. Thanks, and have a nice day. ~
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I am honored by your good opinion. We do seem to see eye-to-eye on many of these big-ticket calls. I have cleared out my next 30 hours or so for Knowledge (XXG), and the VA is on my short list of items I consider, uh, vital. Thanks again, see you there soon.
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seriously at the possibility of a topic ban, but the more I studied the edit history, the more I saw an intractable editor running amok. We will never know how many future editor hours you spared with your block, and it is an honor working with you!
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you have pointed to have been deleted, one by each of us, and this improves the article. There are additions that need to be made as well. I am serious about getting this article to GA status. See you on the talk page. Onward, and thanks again.
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that it is my responsibility to wikistalk Epeefleche around the encyclopedia and source content that he is too lazy to source himself" (emph. added), as I have repeatedly maintained. I've removed your commentary, leaving just your endorsement.
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people, and often times seems to be advancing her own personal agenda rather than adhering to the policies and guidelines of Knowledge (XXG). My sense is that she's really not here to build to an encyclopedia but to represent her "clients".
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that annoyed some editors. (No doubt the creators of the crappy posts, at least, but that never bothered me.) Whether such a discussion supports my view here or not doesn't matter. It would help me to know, so that I can do the right thing.
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about your situation in terms of adminship. You seemed good-willed, but I wanted to hear about "the back story," so to speak. Just to make sure (before I do personal research), would you be willing to be a Knowledge (XXG) administrator? --
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Dylan Covers. I also don't know any European folk musicians who wouldn't know Fairport, Planxty or the Dubliners. The Grammy and Rock n Roll hall of fame are American halls of fame - its like winning the World Series - utterly parochial.
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currently. You might want to post your concerns at Jimmy's page, and see if he responds. If nothing else, you may find like-minded editors. I will continue to monitor the situation, and contemplate it. I salute you.
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the electric guitar and multitrack recording. As for music, he had a big series of smash music hits with three number one songs, with one of them, 'How High the Moon' in the Grammy Hall of Fame. He has his own
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Thank you kindly. So far our summer has been anything but drama-free, at least on some of the pages I edit and/or monitor. Perhaps matters will calm down. My very best wishes to you, where ever you edit here.
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in September 2010, have never requested the tools and currently lean against the idea of an Rfa, but am frankly curious: what led you to me? Thanks again, and best wishes,
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So, it appears you are saying I am calling you a paid editor and you are mocking my name? Your remarks and demeanor on my page are truly extraordinary.
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Man, I had that typo fixed within two minutes... but not much gets past you, I see!
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All good mate - looks like everything was done right either way. Have a good one!
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for the holidays and 2014 from a warmer place than where you probably areĀ ;)
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Only because you fixed my typo, which I thought was cute (and nice) of you.
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for the discussion. I am copying this note to all your Talk pages. Thanks!
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three bitterly opposed editors who can't or won't agree on sound process.
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Good to hear! Me too, actually, and the end of the sniffling is in sight.
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Ah! Happy to help, and happy to see a good consensus on that blurb.
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For an example of what I am talking about regarding PbP, please see
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be "dealt with" and "needs to change." Your comments are noted, and
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and we'll be more than happy to help. Again, welcome, and thanks!
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Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!
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One of the most random talk page responses you will ever receive
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Thanks for the welcome back. I wondered if anyone would notice.
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First off, and most importantly, please allow me to thank you.
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Truly a remarkable thread, in light of later developments.
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I see the article is now posted. Thanks for your help!
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867:To quote myself in the recent expanded ANI thread:
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3118:Here are some pages which are a little more fun:
2156:I'll drink to that! Have one for yourself amigo!
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